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Old 12-25-2009, 06:25 AM   #711
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Buktop, You see what i mean?? This only alienates the UMD from the rest of the people and you can clearly see it with the responses you got on your post. You have to look at the big picture and take this matter very seriously its not as simple as you might think, everyone here respects the UMD however the UMD needs to show responsibility and trust, this is something that no organization can hide from.

Risto,SOM now that we know that Metodija A Koloski will be in Australia for the Month of February next year will any of you take the time to meet up with him and present the views here in this forum and our Macedonian Community in General? Spolaj Vi
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Old 12-25-2009, 06:51 AM   #712
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Prolet, excuse the action of my responding with a question to a question, but can you tell me what would be the difference if Meto was to give his answer to me in person as opposed to online?

The average Macedonian like me is looking for clarity, and I wish to spread that message of clarity. Whatever Meto tells me in person as a response to that quest for clarity I will post up here on the public forums of the MTO. So, isn't it better if the UMD just give their response first hand to everybody, rather than going through a middle man, which could later be written off as 'word of mouth'?

I am perplexed at the UMD reaction (or lack thereof) to the concerns raised by Macedonians in the Diaspora. I feel that the MTO provides them the same platform it does to other Macedonian groups (like the AMHRC), and while I don't expect them to get involved in every debate, discussion or argument on these boards, those that concern their organisation should be addressed, and the people they are addressing should be acknowledged as individuals, instead of insignificant nobodies that can casually be referred to some info.com link.

I have never thought ill of Meto, even after his questionable statements, and it was not until he recently decided to disregard some inquiries made by Risto the Great and myself by referring us to some info.com link that I began to show a greater interest in the comments and reflections about him made by other Macedonians.
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Old 12-25-2009, 07:16 AM   #713
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SOM, Spolaj Ti i guess thats a fair answer

I dont believe that Metodija posts on this forum, as far as i remember Risto wrote an email then posted the response here on the forum.
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Old 12-25-2009, 07:20 AM   #714
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The username 'UMDiaspora.org' is Meto, at least most of the time anyway.
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SOM, How can you be so sure??
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Old 12-25-2009, 07:33 AM   #716
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Because he has confirmed it himself to other individuals at the MTO via private correspondence.
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All or most? Leaving some room for error, to slither out of the blanket assertions you have made towards the Macedonian community in Australia? People like you and Maknews have done a fine job in alienating the UMD from large segments of the Macedonian Diaspora, and now more than ever, people are convinced that there is something really wrong with this whole situation.
I think this is a really important point being made by SoM...why are a few very vocal UMD members/supporters making sweeping generalizations about the entire Australian Macedonian community, when clearly there's discontent from North American Macedonians and other quarters.

This gentleman, 'Maknews' has gone out of his way to attack the entire Australian Macedonian community, on nothing more substantial than the criticism of UMD by a handful of Australian Macedonian forum participants. 'Buktop' has now jumped in with similarly ill-founded and sweeping generalizations about 'agendas'...I sometimes wonder who it is that has the 'agenda'...?

'Buktop' has previously made it known that he knows Meto on a personal level, do we assume that 'Buktop' is expressing Meto's views on this matter?

How on Earth have we gone from a few people showing concern for the direction UMD have taken to an entire diaspora community being accussed of an anti-UMD agenda?

I've previously asked UMD to distance themselves from the views of 'Maknews' in regard to the attack on the Australian Macedonian diaspora, I can live with his petty personal attack on me, terms like "wingnut", "boot-polisher" and the like dont bother me but why attack all Australian Macedonians on the basis that their "life experiences" are inferior to an American's or a European's and now we have 'Buktop' adding his couple of cents worth of division to the mix.

UMD have an obligation to settle this festering matter, when one extremely powerful supporter of UMD through his internet site is making such silly, ill-informed and provocative statements against the Australian Macedonian community it can easily be construed as UMD sanctioned views...

So UMD, where do you officially stand, are you happy that your most vocal and powerful supporters do the bidding for you, if that's the case perhaps your organization would be better represented by the acronym... M.U.D.
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Alot of anti-Australian sentiment expressed by supporters of the UMD and people who obviously believe they have the right to speak on their behalf, and the seemingly indifferent attitude of the UMD demonstrated through their silence appears to condone such sentiment.

No representation from Meto, no character? Whatever it is, no problem. What about the Ordan's and Boban's who are in Australia, does the uneasy feeling about the UMD that is prevalent among many Macedonians in Australia not concern them in the least?

Looks like Rogi may have stepped off the plate just in time.
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Old 12-26-2009, 01:39 AM   #719
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SOM, Rogi still hasnt explained his reasons why he is no longer on the board however he is still in the UMD.

I cant speculate till Rogi officially confirms his stance on the UMD, i dont believe there is bad blood between them however im sure he has his reasons for leaving the board.

I strongly encourage people to see Nikola Gruevski's interview on Milenko's show which was on Sveti Nikola, its absolutely fantastic and Gjorgje Ivanov's 30 minute interview on A1 is just as good. As long as we have a good head on our shoulder its the most important thing, finally Nikola Gruevski and Gjorgje Ivanov have shown that they are not prepared to change our name and as Milenko said they are the last men standing who are defending our name, the longer we hang on the longer we stay alive the easier it will get for us and there is no way that we should be changing our name in any shape or form koj gi eba.

Lets not make this an us vs them battle and focus on the most important issues, they are accusing us in Australia of having some secret agenda to wipe them out while we think they are hiding something whenever we ask a question and we are both putting eachother on the spot and its not gonna get us anywhere. Its a clash of personalities and people have lost their cool and we must look for a solution to end this.
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For months members of the UMD engaged in forum discussions, now they refuse to even answer questions. So who has lost their cool Prolet, UMD? Me? RtG? You? I think it would have been a sign of significant goodwill and character had they engaged in discussions with us and accept some constructive criticism, instead all our questions and comments are perceived as 'destructive' and are dismissed.

I can't speak for other people, but I am certainly not looking at this as a 'clash of personalities', I want them to take certain criticisms on board and improve themselves, not disintegrate as an organisation. I don't like the way this situation has eventuated, and I won't be made to feel like an 'enemy' of the UMD just for asking some questions and making some comments as a concerned member of the Macedonian Diaspora, which they claim to represent (In their meetings with political personalities for example, they don't claim to represent the paying members of the UMD, but the Macedonian Diaspora, therefore, they are speaking on behalf of myself and other Macedonians, so we are entitled to have our say, and entitled to a response - particularly if they frequent our forum).
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