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Old 02-27-2011, 10:22 PM   #5611
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UMD on the vote issue i know a lot weain't getting it the way other countries give the vote to the diaspora,
I was there win 2006 when i heard gruevski say over macedonian tv that he is going to give the diaspora the vote .that has not materialised the only thing i heard on sbs radio in 2010 by the macedonian ambassador is that yes you can vote by buying yourself a passport & flying to macedonia in the next election yes you can vote.Gruevski knows full well if he gives the vote to the diaspora that will affect the balance of power a lot of things won't work in macedonia & the status quo will be affected.

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Old 02-27-2011, 10:34 PM   #5612
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I agree with Bill, unless someone steps forward and is absolutely clear on this issue, it's like choosing between the frying pan and the fire.
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Old 02-27-2011, 10:34 PM   #5613
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Well, we all probably admit that the Macedonian government has duped Macedonians from the beginning and expect we have all cross sections of Macedonian schools of thought finally accepting that Macedonia is on the chopping block.

I personally have been attacked for taking aggressive positions with people who did not seem to know what has already been known. To have the intentions of the Macedonian government so clearly revealed today, it is beyond my imagination as to how any form of support can be given to the ideologically challenged people of Macedonia from its government to its DPMNE supporters all the way through to the Serb arse kissing SDSM supporters.

When Macedonia inevitably rots in a national wasteland, where will I (as an Aegean Macedonian) point to my ancestry? Will it be in Greece where a real battle for the Macedonian identity transpired over hundreds of years. Where billions of modern day equivalent US dollars and support was used to destroy our people ..... or should I point to the little protecorate to the north of Greece that is no longer called Macedonia. One had hundreds of thousands of brave fighters for the Macedonian Cause, the other has never gone to war to fight for a single thing, yet lost every time.

Is there hope for Macedonia? Not with the current leadership and not with the slave mentality mindset that is prevalent in Macedonia.
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Old 02-27-2011, 10:46 PM   #5614
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On the other hand, could this be spun in another direction? Did the Macedonians accept these proposals knowing full well that they would be rejected so that they would appear to be respecting the process?
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Old 02-27-2011, 10:54 PM   #5615
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On the other hand, could this be spun in another direction? Did the Macedonians accept these proposals knowing full well that they would be rejected so that they would appear to be respecting the process?
I knew this same old BS would resurface....it was only a matter of time, but I expected it from the usual suspects.
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Old 02-27-2011, 10:59 PM   #5616
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On the other hand, could this be spun in another direction? Did the Macedonians accept these proposals knowing full well that they would be rejected so that they would appear to be respecting the process?
El bre, regardless if this is the case, Macedonia has now officially accepted (Skopje) + plus some other unknown names. This means these are the best it can ever get in negotiations!!

So if that was the logic, when the letter was put forward.. well...
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El bre, regardless if this is the case, Macedonia has now officially accepted (Skopje) + plus some other unknown names. This means these are the best it can ever get in negotiations!!

So if that was the logic, when the letter was put forward.. well...
Volk, Macedonia accepted (Skopje) in 2008 for the purpose of NATO membership. (UMD, by the way, defended that position).

I'm wondering if your views on the ICJ case have changed in light of the information that you seem to have understood for the first time today?
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Volk, Macedonia accepted (Skopje) in 2008 for the purpose of NATO membership. (UMD, by the way, defended that position).

I'm wondering if your views on the ICJ case have changed in light of the information that you seem to have understood for the first time today?
you ran a nice mery-go round for the ICJ discussion (like you always do) , not answering the most important question regarding it. I have zero intention of placing any energy into endless 'ego' arguments with you, I have far for important things to do.
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you ran a nice mery-go round for the ICJ discussion (like you always do) , not answering the most important question regarding it. I have zero intention of placing any energy into endless 'ego' arguments with you, I have far for important things to do.
This is what we are up against gentlemen. Even after having a brief epiphany, old loyalties die hard...
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Volk, hope you enjoyed your brief stay in reality 3 posts ago, but I see that you have quickly reverted back to the same ICJ garbage where in fact it was YOU who was running in circles. Put your pride and ego to the side and try and capture that moment of clarity you seemed to have had a short while ago.
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