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Old 01-21-2010, 10:01 AM   #1701
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This is getting us nowhere fast, time to rein in

We are all on the same side here, itís our lack of trust that is getting peoples backs up, why wouldnít anyone be offended with such an approach!

We need to trust each other again, to strengthen our foundation

We all approach our cause in different ways, some like to be in the Phalanx hitting the enemy head on, some the Cavalry striking from the flank, and others raining arrows on the enemy from afar. But we are all part of the same army, individually we can not stand, but together we are potent

Allow others to be who they are and help in any way they can, donít be so proud as to scorn your own

We need to work like a great army or organism, not Phalanx fighting the Cavalry, not Arm fighting the Leg, but stand together with our focus squarely on the enemy!
I couldn't agree with you more.
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Old 01-21-2010, 11:03 AM   #1702
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Now Macedonian people are to blame for all the dirty deeds of internal and external anti-Macedonian forces tirelessly trying to destroy the Macedonian ethno-national identity, historical cultural heritage and spirit of resistance through every available avenue there is, through the state education system, public and private media, threats and intimidation through the use of armed force, and the list goes on.
I asked you a question, ultimately it is the citizens of Macedonia who had the power to end this insane debate. Like I said, the referendum was posed to the people, if they did not like the policy, why didn't they vote against it?

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Secondly, it was YOU, amongst a few other UMD-ovci, that brought up the "Constitution" (the UCK wish-list) and tried to use it as justification for some ambit claims and now when it is CLEARLY established that the pre-capitulation USTAV (Constitution) and law were completely breached and HIGH-TREASON was committed (and when the likes of YOU and UMD worship the TRAITORS, e.g. Boris Trajkovski, as heroes), you skirt the VERY relevant questions posed to you. Why am I NOT surprised that you do NOT want to seek truth? Is it because you and fellow travellers in UMDovland are simple stooges and apologists for the political masters of RoM's puppet politicians?
I brought up the constitution in retaliation to Vangelovski's absurd ramblings concerning the authority bestowed upon the parliament from the constitution. I am just as upset that the constitution gives the parliament so much power in relation to our identity and human rights. But such is the flawed nature of the constitution of the Republic of Macedonia that gives these people the right to work on our behalf.

Seeing your fervent attacks on anything UMD and attempts to connect any and every problem in Macedonia to UMD makes me laugh. Your allegations against me are particularly hilarious and reveals more about you than it does about me.

A referendum was put to the people to confront the government policy in 2004 that was aiming to perturb the balance of ethnic groups in the districts of the West of Macedonia to create majority territories for the Albanians. In this referendum the question asked was "whether or not you oppose the municipal redistricting plans which give greater autonomy to Albanians" in this referendum, 25% of Macedonians answered, leaving 75% of Macedonians who didn't give a shit (which I personally am furious about). In which case according to this article of the constitution "Никој нема право да признае окупација на Република Македонија или на нејзин дел. " 75% of the citizens of the Republic of Macedonia are guilty of treason. This is why I asked the questions I did, not to avoid your questions in an attempt to fool people. The government only has the power to act on behalf of the people if the people let them. In this case, silence is consent and therefor they are all guilty. "evil prevails when good men do nothing"






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Do you think the constitution was breached (and HIGH TREASON COMMITTED) in 2001 by those that disregarded their constitutional responsibilities and enacted the capitulationist "Ramkoven dogovor"?

What is the penalty for high treason in USA?

Was Boris Trajkovski guilty of high treason?

Why is Boris Trajkovski promoted as a hero by UMD? Is the UMD a RAMKOVIST (and Vrhovist) support group?

And here is what the head of Macedonian Orthodox Church, gospodin gospdin Stefan, said (this should have some meaning for you since Meto and the likes of you have some history of belonging to MOYANA) in 2001 in relation to those that voted for and enacted the FA:
The constitution was breached

Penalty for treason is death

I don't know, never heard them promote Trajkovski as a hero

According to UMD policy they are not

And I completely agree, the Ohrid framework was a complete sham, and completely against the law and Macedonian people, I never argued that it was good for us...


Now I have a question for you,

Did you vote in the 2004 referendum?

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Old 01-21-2010, 11:04 AM   #1703
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UMD have pointed out many times that it finds a compromise solution acceptable. Other times it has actually proposed several modified names.

The Macedonians who have pointed this out - have been ridiculed by UMD, have been censored by UMD through Maknews to stop them posting.

UMD have responded to the criticism of some Macedonians by attacking the people who have identified problems with UMD statements, or if that has not worked the UMD have reacted by trying to infiltrate the forums where those criticisms are being made and using forum administrators to block and delete threads.

Meto has actually been quite effective in this regard. All UMD criticism at Maknews has effectively been banned.

The evidence that UMD fully support these Western structures and the terms they have set for us - and furthermore, fully support the decision of the government to engage those structures towards finding "a solution" to a problem that was illegitimate and without merit in the first place, has been made clear.

I don't want them representing me or the Macedonians around me anywhere.
Do you have Proof?
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Old 01-21-2010, 11:05 AM   #1704
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I think we should make a special thread full of classic (read idiotic) Buktop statements. I'm sure some historian will pick them up one day and use them for a book outlining history's dumbest ideas.
It is not my fault that you never heard of Article 8 of the constitution
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Old 01-21-2010, 11:35 AM   #1705
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Perhaps you should take your own advice...
Perhaps you should acquaint yourself with the Macedonian constitution?
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Old 01-21-2010, 05:44 PM   #1706
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The problem with trusting all Macedonians is that like the Yugoslavian Army days when the ethnic Albanian soldiers would throw live grenades to kill their "Fellow Yugo" comrades, we can't trust all the people that fight together.
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Old 01-21-2010, 05:48 PM   #1707
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But in my opinion the reality is that no one in U.S. government is stupid to have some Greek money forming their foreign policy towards anyone and anything.
I disagree Bratot.
It is solely about money. The simple fact is that there is MUCH more money to be made in Macedonia, Kosovo, Albania, Serbia, Montenegro and Bosnia than there is to play nice with naughty little Greece who already has her arse owned by the EU.

I can smell the cost of this brand of friendship.
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Old 01-21-2010, 05:56 PM   #1708
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It is not my fault that you never heard of Article 8 of the constitution
I'm fully aware of article 8, Charlatan. You need to learn some key concepts before you start interpreting constitutions. Have you taken your idiotic theories to a law professor or political philosopher yet?
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Old 01-21-2010, 06:16 PM   #1709
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Meto,

We're not all anonymous posters here.
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Old 01-21-2010, 06:29 PM   #1710
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I was adressing the Greek bribery for the U.S. senators.
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