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  • Risto the Great
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 15658

    Macedonian a Second Language in Bulgaria

    I have been reading Horace Lunt's book on Macedonian Grammar recently. I was quite surprised to read about the fact that Macedonian was a recognised second language in Bulgaria from 1944 until 1948 and has since been forbidden (p.15).

    Do we have any more information about how the language was forbidden?
    Risto the Great
    MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
    "Holding my breath for the revolution."

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  • Rogi
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 2343

    #2
    Read up on Georgi Dimitrov, who was Bulgarian Premier at the time. He is admired by many in the Republic of Macedonia because of what he did for the Macedonians in Pirin.
    There is a high school in Skopje named after the Bulgarian leader.

    It wasn't just the language that was recognised at the time, but also the recognition of the Macedonian ethnic identity as well as a census in which Macedonians were included.

    At that time, under the auspices of the Comintern (Communist International), there were agreements in place where Pirin Macedonia would join with was was then the Socialist Republic of Macedonia - and the formation of a Balkan Federation.

    It all came undone when Georgi Dimitrov died in 1949 and Todor Zhivkov became leader of the People's Republic of Bulgaria, undoing all of the work Georgi Dimitrov had done with his stance on Macedonia.

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    • malenka
      Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 101

      #3
      Not recognized or forbidden?
      This fellow, the linguist, surley ought to know the difference.

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      • Risto the Great
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 15658

        #4
        Originally posted by malenka View Post
        Not recognized or forbidden?
        This fellow, the linguist, surley ought to know the difference.
        Not really, he could just tell the difference between the languages. Can anybody tell the difference between "not recognised and forbidden in Greece nowadays? There might have been a time, but political spin has made it unclear now.
        Risto the Great
        MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
        "Holding my breath for the revolution."

        Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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        • Risto the Great
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 15658

          #5
          Thanks Rogi,
          I will look up Dimitrov.
          And then finally look up a relative of mine who was a politician in Bulgaria 50 years ago.
          Risto the Great
          MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
          "Holding my breath for the revolution."

          Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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          • Risto the Great
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 15658

            #6
            In relation to the book, one of the identifying features was the stress on the antepenult (3rd to last syllable). I disagree. And Belomorska Makedonsi have never done this consistently.

            And while we are at it, the only unique Macedonian word I can think of is "Spolaj Ti".
            Risto the Great
            MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
            "Holding my breath for the revolution."

            Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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            • osiris
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 1969

              #7
              In relation to the book, one of the identifying features was the stress on the antepenult (3rd to last syllable). I disagree.
              did anyone in macedonia speak like that before koneski and his band decided that is the macedonian way. i had met people from all parts of macedonia and had never heard anyone speak like that till i went to skopje in 75.

              it still sounds artificial, and unattractive to me.

              i cringe when the say makedonia using that accent.

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              • malenka
                Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 101

                #8
                If by the book one of the identifying features is the accent on 3rd from the back syllable, then that writes out the whole of east Macedonia too, where we put it on 2nd to last. Have always done and still do.

                So, if Belomorci, Malesevci and Kocanci didn't speak the way he is suggesting then where did this man got his research from? I'll take that book back and ask for my money back

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                • Soldier of Macedon
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 13670

                  #9
                  Just in relation to the accents on the syllables, I encourage you all to read some of the Shapkarev literary works from late 19th century Macedonia, where there is a mark or comma above letters where the emphasis is placed.

                  On many of these songs, for a number of those recorded from Bitola for example, you will clearly notice that the accent is the same as it is today.
                  In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                  • Big Bad Sven
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 1528

                    #10
                    I think you guys will find this article interesting. Its from the 70’s and it shows that even back then the bulgars where going to extreme measures to “bulgarize” the Macedonians in Pirin.


                    YUGOSLAV-BULGARIAN MERRY-GO-ROUND OVER MACEDONIA
                    CONTINUES

                    By Slobodan Stankovic

                    Summary: This paper reviews a recent flurry of sharply
                    critical Yugoslav press articles dealing with alleged
                    persecution of the Macedonian national minority in
                    Bulgaria, with a recent speech by Todor Zhivkov�s
                    daughter, Lyudmilla, and with a new book on Bulgarian
                    ethnography.

                    x x x

                    It would seem that since the beginning of this year, the
                    Yugoslav-Bulgarian merry-go-round over Macedonia has once again
                    accelerated. Yugoslav information media have intensified their
                    accusations against "official" Sofia for an alleged "assimilation
                    policy" toward the Macedonian national minority in Bulgaria, and
                    for claiming that the people living in the Socialist Republic of
                    Macedonia were not Macedonians but Bulgarians. These renewed
                    polemics are particularly striking in view of the evidence of
                    intensified contacts between the two countries at both the party
                    and state levels in recent months [see Item 3, Bulgarian Situation
                    Report/40, Radio Free Europe Research, 20 December 19747]

                    Alleged Persecution of Macedonians in Bulgaria

                    Generally speaking, these Yugoslav accusations are simply a
                    repetition of earlier ones. Perhaps the one really new element
                    is details of alleged persecutions of the Macedonian national
                    minority in Bulgaria. According to a Belgrade weekly, They were
                    carried out because of the new census which is to be taken this

                    [Page 2]

                    year in Bulgaria. According to the paper, during the 1956 census,
                    when "about 180,000 persons declared they were Macedonians," a man
                    from Pirin Macedonia made the following statement: "Following an
                    order from the party, I declare I am a Bulgarian." The paper further
                    stated that Macedonians in Pirin Macedonia are now being forced to
                    settle in other parts of Bulgaria:

                    There are three administrative punishments included in
                    Bulgaria's Penal Code of 12 April 1968: 1. forcible
                    resettlement; 2. corrective labor; and 3. continued
                    deprivation of the right to live in a place of one�s
                    choice. Such penalties have been imposed on individuals
                    and whole families from Pirin Macedonia who have been
                    forcibly resettled in the northern parts of Bulgaria. [1]

                    The Belgrade weekly also claimed that "especially in the
                    period after 1965," such pressures and national assimilation "had
                    been resisted" by the Macedonians in Bulgaria. "Young Macedonians --
                    high school pupils and workers - have particularly resisted the
                    policy of assimilation," the Belgrade paper said, adding that
                    resistance had been promoted "through leaflets, slogans, letters
                    of protest -- because of which many people were tried and
                    condemned." On the night of 8 and 9 February 1970, "a great wave
                    of arrests" took place in Blagoevgrad.

                    In other areas, however, Yugoslav-Bulgarian relations have
                    improved, particularly in the economic field [see also Item 3,
                    Bulgarian Situation Report/40, RFER, 20 December 1974 on intensified
                    contacts late last year]; but the problem of the Macedonian
                    national minority in Bulgaria "has remained an open problem," the
                    paper claims. "The latest cold and unpleasant anti-Macedonian
                    wind began blowing at the end of 1973," although the extension of
                    "good neighborly relations" between Bulgaria and Yugoslavia continued
                    to be propagated publicly:

                    Administrative persecution, the prohibition of singing
                    Macedonian songs, confiscation of phonograph records, the
                    expulsion from schools of freedom-loving young people, the
                    transfer of Macedonians from good to poor jobs because of
                    their Macedonian feelings, were overcome by some even
                    stricter actions of the Bulgarian authorities. For

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                    (1) Nedeljne informativne novine (Belgrade), 5 January 1975.

                    [Page 3]

                    instance, at the end of 1973 in Petric and other places in
                    Pirin Macedonia, about 100 persons were arrested, interrogated
                    or warned. About 40 persons who belonged to an "illegal
                    organization" were interrogated in Sofia for several months.
                    Of them, 12 persons were brought to trial in Blagoevgrad
                    (between 2 and 5 June 1974) and sentenced to strict
                    imprisonment from four to eight years, while the remaining
                    persons were punished administratively. [2]

                    Iyudmilla Zhivkova and Prince Marko
                    A speech by Lyudmilla Zhivkova, first deputy chairman of the
                    Committee on Art and Culture and daughter of Bulgaria's party and
                    state chief, Todor Zhivkov, seemed to have provoked special
                    irritation in Belgrade and Skoplje [see Item 1 of Bulgarian Situation
                    Report/5, RFER, 13 February 1975, for details]. During her speech
                    in the capital of Pirin Macedonia -- Blagoevgrad -- Mme. Zhivkova
                    "openly denied the existence of the Macedonians in this area and
                    instead depicted them as Bulgarians." "Zhivkova had gone so far as
                    to claim that Spartacus and Prince Marko [the latter a historical
                    Serbian figure from the 14th century popularly known in Bulgaria as
                    "King Marko"] have been preserved in the hearts of every Bulgarian, '"
                    thus implying that they were of Bulgarian origin. [3]

                    Borba even published a short poem under the title "Prince
                    Marko and Lyudmilla Zhivkova" in which it ridiculed the latter�s
                    assertions and commented on them by saying that in Bulgaria,
                    "a Georgi Dimitrov is obviously more needed than a Prince Marko." [4]

                    A stronger reaction appeared in the Skoplje daily Nova Makedonij
                    which charged that not only Bulgarian historiographers, publicists
                    and the press but "individual Bulgarian leaders" as well, were
                    continuing "their campaign against Macedonia" and Macedonians:

                    They are doing this as if nothing had changed or is
                    changing, as if they had a God-given right to decide people�s
                    destiny and to cut up the map of the world. And while they

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                    (2) Ibid.

                    (3) Politika (Belgrade), 2 February 1975.

                    (4) Borba (Belgrade), 4 February 1975.

                    [Page 4]

                    play with history--their own and others�-- as with toy
                    balloons, they accuse other people, of. waging an
                    anti-Bulgarian campaign; while they appropriate foreign
                    [territories] as their own, they accuse, other peopled of
                    insisting on [their rightful ownership of]certain territories.
                    LyudmiLla Zhivkova revealed that it is Pirin Macedonia (rather
                    than, for instance, the Plovdiv or varna districts). where
                    Bulgarian national consciousness is the strongest, because
                    of which she, as a cultural worker, is particularly happy.
                    Professor Hristo Vakarleski has been applauded because he
                    successfully plagiarized "historical facts" from the books
                    of the worst protagonists of the Greater Bulgarian ideas. . . .[5]

                    A Sofia report in Borba has commented on what Professor
                    Vakarelski�s "sin" was: He recently published a book called
                    Ethnography of Bulgaria in which he said that not only such towns as Bitol
                    Ohrid, Struga, Titov Veles, Stip and Strumica in Yugoslav Macedonia
                    but towns such as Viden and Seres in Greek Macedonia, "were, until
                    the Balkan Wars [1912/1913], Bulgarian towns, populated by
                    Bulgarians," and also that "Prince Marko was proclaimed �a
                    Bulgarian administrator in Prilep,' while Czar Samuel was a
                    celebrated hero of Bulgarian history.�" [6] In addition, Borba
                    claims that many figures from Macedonian history have simply
                    been proclaimed Bulgarians.

                    The anti-Bulgarian attacks in Belgrade and Skoplje have been
                    echoed by the Slovenian daily Delo of Ljubljana and Vjesnik of
                    Zagreb., They also referred to LyudmiLla Zhivkova�s. speech (and the
                    fact that it had been published in Rabotnichesko Delo) as proof
                    "that the Bulgarian leaders have definitely decided to pursue an
                    anti-Macedonian and anti-Yugoslav policy which, in the future,
                    will be waged at the public and official level." [7] This type
                    of anti-Yugoslav and anti-Macedonian campaign is part "of
                    Bulgaria's official policy," thus making it the only country
                    "that denies the existence of a Yugoslav national minority." [8]

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                    (5) Nova Makedonija (Skoplje), 7 February 1975.

                    (6) Borba, 10 February 1975.

                    (7) Delo (Ljubljana), 10 February 1975.

                    (8) Vjesnik (Zagreb), 13 February 1975.

                    [Page 5]

                    As in similar periods in the past, it is difficult to identify
                    the mainsprings of the current flurry of Yugoslav polemics with
                    Bulgaria over Macedonia. But in any event they could be seen as
                    a counterpart of (and perhaps balance to) the recent
                    anti-Austrian campaign concerning the Slovenian minority in that
                    country. And, finally, though this cannot be established with
                    any certainty, one is tempted to relate to the current discussion
                    the separate, "warm and friendly" talks which CPSU CC Secretary
                    Katushev had with the Bulgarian and Yugoslav ambassadors in
                    Moscow on February 4.

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                    • Big Bad Sven
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 1528

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Rogi View Post
                      Read up on Georgi Dimitrov, who was Bulgarian Premier at the time. He is admired by many in the Republic of Macedonia because of what he did for the Macedonians in Pirin.
                      There is a high school in Skopje named after the Bulgarian leader.

                      It wasn't just the language that was recognised at the time, but also the recognition of the Macedonian ethnic identity as well as a census in which Macedonians were included.

                      At that time, under the auspices of the Comintern (Communist International), there were agreements in place where Pirin Macedonia would join with was was then the Socialist Republic of Macedonia - and the formation of a Balkan Federation.

                      It all came undone when Georgi Dimitrov died in 1949 and Todor Zhivkov became leader of the People's Republic of Bulgaria, undoing all of the work Georgi Dimitrov had done with his stance on Macedonia.

                      Yes I believe that is true.

                      If my memory was correct the plan was for Bulgaria and Albania to join the Yugoslav federation, but the “cost” for those countries was that Pirin Macedonia and the Macedonian land in Albania was to go to the Socialist republic of Macedonia.

                      What a real shame that during Tito’s Yugoslavia so many attempts where made to get Pirin, Aegean and Albanian Macedonia yet all attempts failed. Sadly I think those where our best and last chances of getting the rest of Macedonia. Im no Tito lover and no that he did a lot of bad things to Macedonia and the Macedonians, but you need to give him credit on that.

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                      • Rogi
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 2343

                        #12
                        Had nothing to do with Tito and his cronies.

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                        • TrueMacedonian
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 3812

                          #13
                          This is a nice topic. Thanks for bringing it back to page 1. I feel that the Macedonians in Bulgaria are overshadowed by the Macedonians plight in Aegean Macedonia. It's nice to see topics like this.
                          Slayer Of The Modern "greek" Myth!!!

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                          • Risto the Great
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 15658

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Rogi View Post
                            Had nothing to do with Tito and his cronies.
                            Well, to be fair, he was creating an economic powerhouse in the Balkans. If Yugoslavia was not considered a "better bet" both strategically and economically, I am sure there would not even had been any thought given to such a notion.
                            Risto the Great
                            MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                            "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                            Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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