United Macedonia Diaspora

[Grotius]

I feared that it might be the ranting of a lunatic who likes to be the judge and jury of peoples identity. I can't see that anybody is able to satisfy his criteria, so where does that leave us. in fact, his ideological predisposition is very similar to the Greek one. I can't wait to be placed on his blacklist, it will be a privelage.

sorry indigen, there is simply no credibility there anymore.

although i do agree with him about the absurdity of where this thread has ended up.

Dimo, I think I spotted a few slavs at the local shopping centre, what should i do? should i report them to the authorities? I fear we may be overrun by the slavs.

[Vangelovski]

Therefore, in an ethnic sense, a Macedonian is a Macedonian-speaking person of Slavonic descent from any of the current four regions of homeland or ethnic Macedonia.

This view - we are Slavs that speak Macedonian - is completely unacceptable.

However, I do note that it was written 21 years ago and I do hope that the views of the two authors have changed in the intervening period.

[DIMO]

grotius u saw slavs at the shoping centre unbelivable, what should u do, join them mate.

[Pavel]

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"No "Slav" and "Tatar" (imagine that?) grafts for me, thank you very much! MONGREL-BREED = anti-Macedonian propaganda!"

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this type of sick racism from indigen is unacceptable. according to some sources there are at present around 10 million people in the world of Tatar ethnic origin. if any of them read this forum i want them to know that 99% of the Macedonians on this forum are not racists and we have nothing against the Tatar people.

[Grotius]

Dimo, but I'm not slav, i have an unbroken, direct, pure racial lineal connection to the Ancient macedonians.

I thought you were interested in flushing out demonic slavs, after all, you seem to have some sort of slavophonia. Dimo, are you an ancient too?

[Grotius]

to be serious for a moment, I don't subscribe to either a slav or ancient theory, clearly our (and every other peoples) identity is a little more nuanced than that. therefore i don't think it is at all useful when people espouse an absolutist view about either. it's lazy at best. i won't say what it is at worst just yet. Dimo, whilst i was just being mischievous before, these things do have a serious side.

when one sits back and absorbs some of indigens theory, (which has been bothering me) i do feel disconcerted slightly, especially if we follow through on his logic. when one asserts that we "ARE DIRECT DESCENDANTS of OUR GLORIOUS AND LEGENDARY ANCIENT MACEDONIAN PREDECESSORS", (in capitals mind you), sounds good, but what then is the logical implication of 'our' relationship with other peoples, I think Pavel might have a point.

[DIMO]

grotius im very happy for you that u have a pure direct connection to the ancient macedonians. Am i ancient, very ancient mate.

[DIMO]

grotius, my intrest is in macedonian ancestors and history, personally i have no intrest in tartars or slav history. What concerns me is there is macedonians out there that belive the macedonians of today originated from the slavs from the 6th century onwards, what i belive not as inviduals but as a people that macedonia and macedonians originated from our ancestors the ancient macedonians.

[Onur]

Originally Posted by Pavel

everyone on earth has mongrel background. someone who talks alot about mongrels, and places genes over culture does not know what he is talking about. culture makes identity not genes. mongrels, purebreds, genes and military take over of the macedonian govt, that is indigen and that sounds exactly like a neo nazi!!

Agree to you.

Also, racism never works in Balkans. If someone tries to discriminate people in the name of racist ideas there, it just makes him look as stupid as some current Bulgars or Greeks.

Balkans is not the edge of the world like Japan or Wales. On the contrary, It was always a passage and crosspoint for many societies, including Tatars. So you cannot reach any point with racism here.

Be careful about how you call "Tatar" people indigen, you might be one of "Mongrel-breed"(as you call) too... who knows?

[Bill77]

Has anyone studdied or heard of the "Dura-Europos inscriptions"?

linguist Anthony Ambrozic who, through his translations of the "Dura-Europos inscriptions", has identified that language to be the root of the same language spoken by modern Macedonians today.

Quote Risto Stefov: "According to modern dating methods it (Dura-Europos inscriptions) has been dated to the first century BC, about 700 years before the supposed "Slav language", according to mainstream history, had reached the Balkans. This new evidence, however, contradicts the old claims that modern Macedonians are the descendants of Slavs who invaded Macedonia in the sixth century AD.


There for i think its incorrect calling our language "if" any of Anthony Ambrozic theories are true that our language existed well before the "slavs" invaded Macedonia.

Did modern Macedonians inherit the language that our forefathers picked up from the Slavs who overran Macedonia during the 6th century AD or is it the other way around, they picked up the language of ancient Macedonians who lived in the Balkans in the first millennium BC?

Macedonian people are victims of modern politics which probably originated in the 19th century.
Quote: "Our present day knowledge of the origin of the Slavs is, to a large extent, a legacy of the 19th century. A scholarly endeavor inextricably linked with forging national identities...." (Page 6, Florin Curta, The Making of the Slavs, History and Archaeology of the Lower Danube Region c. 500 - 700, Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2001)".
Its sad that people believe our language is not a indigenous language that belonged since ancient times and we are regarded as invaders of our own ancestral lands.

The slavs (invading tribes) who would have picked up our language were so dominent in the Balkans, That which ever nation spoke there language would have been linked in a same family with these powerful predominant "slavs". Evan the originators of this language.....us Macedonians.