United Macedonia Diaspora

[makedonche]

"What has Australia done for Macedonia"

Australia(n's) have commenced the Macedonian Truth Organisation!
This is an organisation that seeks the truth about Macedonia and Macedonians and is open to all people of the world to learn, express and debate their views on all topics relating to the Macedonian Cause/truth/nation/people/government/policies etc.
The commencement of this organisation has uinified Macedonians from around the world, the MTO has also exposed the fudamental flaws in policy/actions/ideals and postions of the successive governments of the ROM, UMD and other capitulist organisations, NGO's and non-truly patriotic organisations. The Macedonian Truth Organisation has single handedly prevented the further erosion of the Macedonian identity, questioned the path taken to date which has led to the erosion of identity/human rights of the Macedonian people. In short it has done more for the awakening of the Macedonian consciouness and defining the Macedonian Cause and prevented the total capitulation of the Sovreignity of the Macedonian culture/language/history and identity.
This is a brief summary of what Australia has done for Macedonia through the MTO - feel free to add to the list of the MTO's achievements.

[UMDiaspora.org]

At least, the Canadian Prime Minister would come out with such a statement. We don't see much leadership from Australia's PM Kevin Rudd.

[Rogi]

Oh I know and agree, K.Rudd is completely spineless on Macedonian matters and seems beholden to the Greeks.

But let's not kid ourselves about Harper actually supporting Macedonia in any altruistic way and we shouldn't be complacent with small crumbs.

[Mr Brandy]

Originally Posted by Rogi

Oh I know and agree, K.Rudd is completely spineless on Macedonian matters and seems beholden to the Greeks.

But let's not kid ourselves about Harper actually supporting Macedonia in any altruistic way and we shouldn't be complacent with small crumbs.

Rogi - I believe you are right and of course Harper is a politician fishing for votes however its still a positive stance. I don't think he minced words in his statement. His support of us even in this small way has the Greeks here fuming. I am not trivializing the precarious future ahead for Macedonia but once and while we Macedonians have to celebrate something.

[UMDiaspora.org]

PM Harper is a friend to Macedonia and Macedonians. It is quite significant for a Canadian Prime Minister to be such a friend. He is the first to visit a Macedonian Orthodox Church in Toronto. The increase in bilateral relations between Canada and Macedonia in recent years is exemplary. His message to Macedonians is greatly appreciated, and definitely shows the strength of the Canadian-Macedonian community.

[Prolet]

Risto, AMHRC proved in court about the Slav Macedonian Laguage that it doesnt exist thats it, i remember Rogi posting the documents and Rogi is a good source when it comes to information like that.

Vangelovski, Are you suggesting that Macedonian Activist Aco Taleski is wrong? What more proof do you need when we have two state premiers who've called us Slav Macedonians. We've heard it all from the horses mouth before.

[indigen]

Originally Posted by Prolet

Risto, AMHRC proved in court about the Slav Macedonian Laguage that it doesnt exist thats it, i remember Rogi posting the documents and Rogi is a good source when it comes to information like that.

Vangelovski, Are you suggesting that Macedonian Activist Aco Taleski is wrong? What more proof do you need when we have two state premiers who've called us Slav Macedonians. We've heard it all from the horses mouth before.

P., there is the "Slav-Prefix" Directive on the books from 1994 and it is valid and current policy of Australia. It does not seem to be applied much in practice but it did (and does) placate the "Greeks". When in 1994 a campaign of violence and burnings was unleashed on a scale never seen before in Australia, it is assumed, since to my knowledge no one was ever legally charged, that it was extreme elements of our southern neighbours who were responsible for such acts. This no doubt INTIMIDATED Australian politicians and, IMO, had all the hallmarks of foreign (Greek state) agents inflaming or even instigating many of these incidents. This "PASSION" displayed by the "Greeks" had a "persuasive influence" on Australian politicians. Add to this the very active Greek organised community, which runs quite a number of ALP branches, especially in Victoria, and one should not be surprised of how events of 1994 turned out against Macedonian national interests. The Greek protest rallies were the biggest seen since anti-Vietnam War protests (1960s-1970s) and Nuclear Disarmament rallies of 1980s, 40-60k plus in both Sydney and Melbourne over a period of 2 years (92-94).

Secondly, "Slav Macedonian" label is self-applied by many Macedonians and Macedonian state institutions and agencies and it is HYPOCRITICAL to complain to Australia when you have Gligorov, Georgievski, Trajkovski, Crvenkovski, and the rest of the VASSALS propagating that this is what we are! There are even MTO heroes who preach about "Slav Speakers" without ever being criticised. I wont name names but a Google search for "Slav Speakers" might bring the culprits to view.

Lastly, IMO, it would be more productive to FIRST eliminate the "Slav" designation at its root cause, in Macedonia and amongst Macedonians and Macedonian state, media, political institutions and agencies and community organisations that regurgitate this anti-Macedonian outdated propaganda, rather than worrying too much about SECONDARY symptoms of the original infection. Treat the cause and not the symptoms!

[aleksandrov]

Originally Posted by Prolet

Risto, Australia is the only country in the world where we are recognized as Slav Macedonians,...

Please refer us to an authoritative source indicating that "we" are CURRENTLY "recognized as Slav Macedonians" by Australia? The only Australian 'recognition' I know of is that of the "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia", whose Government has accepted that perpetual 'temporary reference' for entry into the UN and for its relations with about half the countries in the world.

Australia has no such process as 'recognizing' or 'not recognising' ethnicities on a case by case basis. Yes, in 1994 its Foreign Affairs Minister accepted Greek demands to refer to "people associated with FYROM" as "Slav Macedonians", but at that time the Government of 'FYROM' itself identified ethnic Macedonians as "Slav Macedonians" in promotional material and in numerous public statements. Once the Australian Federal Government was made well aware by the AUSTRALIAN Macedonian community that it considers the "Slav" prefix to be a racial slur, serving the denial of the heritage and right to free self-identification of ethnic Macedonians, it stopped using the "Slav" prefix to identify Macedonians who do not want to be identified as such. In fact, the reaction by the AUSTRALIAN Macedonian community was so instant and overwhelming that the Federal Government hardly got a chance to even start using the "Slav" prefix. What it does continue to use, however, is the "FYROM" name, based on the fact that the FYROM Government has voluntarily accepted that name as a temporary compromise in its dispute with Greece. Unlike the USA, Australia has no interest in offering the Republic of Macedonia a superficial carrot i.e. it does not have a substantial strategic interest in attempting to exploit the Republic of Macedonia and detrimentally interfering in its internal affairs, so it has no interest in pulling the wool over the eyes of Macedonians in the Republic of Macedonia with recognition of its 'constitutional' name before the ongoing "name negotiations" with Greece have concluded.

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by UMDiaspora.org

PM Harper is a friend to Macedonia and Macedonians. It is quite significant for a Canadian Prime Minister to be such a friend. He is the first to visit a Macedonian Orthodox Church in Toronto. The increase in bilateral relations between Canada and Macedonia in recent years is exemplary. His message to Macedonians is greatly appreciated, and definitely shows the strength of the Canadian-Macedonian community.

UMD's Goce Delcev Award is cheap indeed...

[aleksandrov]

Originally Posted by Prolet

Risto, AMHRC proved in court about the Slav Macedonian Laguage that it doesnt exist thats it, i remember Rogi posting the documents and Rogi is a good source when it comes to information like that.

Vangelovski, Are you suggesting that Macedonian Activist Aco Taleski is wrong? What more proof do you need when we have two state premiers who've called us Slav Macedonians. We've heard it all from the horses mouth before.

You need to look up the difference between Federal and State governments in Australia, as well as the difference between Government policy and nonsensical ramblings by individual politicians prostituting themselves for Greek votes, at Greek gatherings.

State Governments have no jurisdiction over foreign affairs. And as far as I know, no State Government in Australia has a formal policy determining the identity of Macedonians or any other ethnic group.