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UMDiaspora.org · 05-26-2010, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Risto the Great

The Embassy was irrelevant. The local community was jump started into action after the issue was met head on by the AMHRC. It should have started from the local community and then spread out. But they were piss weak on the issue because they were hopeful for a grant. The UMD is looking for grants as we speak, hopefully they won't feel constrained or compromised at really important times too.

To our knowledge, UMD is not seeking any grants in Australia.

Rogi · 05-26-2010, 01:30 AM

Let's keep things real.

Among Australian-Macedonians, UMD is considered an "American thing". Hardly anything is known about UMD in Australia.

Those who attended the UMD Functions in February, were the same people who attend all community events. Many, or most of them are family friends and/or relatives of the members and readers of this forum.

As for the growth in the number of paid UMD members from Australia, it very well may have grown substantially, relative to pre-existing low number of members from Australia. In reality, this forum has the same, if not more registered members from Australia.

Vangelovski · 05-26-2010, 02:28 AM

Meto seems to think the Australian Macedonian communities don't communicate with each other, but they do and they share information.

UMD did in fact gain some recruits, however, the quality of most of these recruits is nothing to brag about. He'll soon learn that most of them are more of a liability than an asset. Others, are the charlatans that turn up for photo ops, pretend they're someone important, promise the world and then disappear. I in fact, I witnessed a number of these in the Canberra/Queanbeyan session myself. They're always looking for someone new and unsuspecting and that is the trap you fall into when you're doing wirlwind tours.

Risto the Great · 05-26-2010, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by UMDiaspora.org

To our knowledge, UMD is not seeking any grants in Australia.

It is in the USA though. Remember, you thanked Vangelovski for the heads up about 8 hours ago:

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Originally Posted by UMDiaspora.org

Vangelovski - excellent research! We are going to look into this closely and see if we will be considered for any U.S. government funding for specific democracy-building projects.

Even though the terms are clearly drawn such that they must be "initiatives that advance the national interest on specific policy issues".

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Prolet · 05-26-2010, 02:44 AM

Risto, On tuesday's edition of 3zzz radio there was an interview with the President of the Mladina Andrew Ananievski who will be one of the speakers at the UMD Conference in Toronto. This guy from what i've heard is on the rise and has the respect of many leaders within our community he is a young guy i think he is 18 or 19 years old.

He mentioned that one of the plans that he's got is for our people to build a Macedonian Library in Australia. Its a fantastic initiative no doubt about it.

Volk · 05-26-2010, 04:25 AM

who still uses a library? Everything is digital now, a libary in my view is a waste of money.

A website with a digitized archive accessible world wide is a much better idea

indigen · 05-26-2010, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Prolet

He mentioned that one of the plans that he's got is for our people to build a Macedonian Library in Australia. Its a fantastic initiative no doubt about it.

I don't know about this guy but "sonchogled" characters (those that turn towards whoever is in power in RoM, like the sunflower turns towards the direction of the sun, a term I picked up from reading an article by the late Panko Stamkoski) will always appear from time to time and get a boost from the RoM establishment (previously they would have rotated towards the Yugoslav Konsuli), be they ambasadori, konsuli or vladici, and their local network of collaborators. Generally they will be shallow personalities and will always lack patriotic ideology and political integrity. (Bez)UMdovci.org is full of such characters and they also kowtow to USA imperialist agendas to boot.

There has been a library in Sydney for decades.
Macedonian Library
5 Belmore St.
Arncliffe NSW 2205
http://www.pollitecon.com/html/communities/Sydney.html

But the problem that one will be confronted with will be what books to present. I am sure much of the books dealing with history and originating from RoM authors will be offensive to most right thinking Macedonian patriots and there will be very little that is worthwhile in obtaining.

osiris · 05-26-2010, 05:53 AM

the kid andrew is a very impresive young man and having met him i was quite taken by his intelligence and commitment. guys we have had student groups teachers groups and at one point a container full of books for the establishment of a library the books ended up rotting, i dont know what has happened to the teachers and old university students club. lets hop from now on we can maintain and grow our organisation of university educated people. we are the only community who seem to have lost a whole generation of our educated ones. thats not good enough and thats what one of my aims is for mto that we motivate them all to return and contribute to our community

indigen · 05-26-2010, 06:05 AM

SOM, thanks for adjusting my vote.

For the those that have not declared their card and voted, I have the following tid bits of info to sway your opinion:

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Meto Koloski: "UMD’s membership wants Macedonia to pull out of negotiations, end the Interim Accord, and not discuss Macedonia’s name and identity. UMD has taken this approach and this is the official policy of the organization."

A. Mitreski ("Chairman of the Board"): "...Furthermore...when we asked our membership body if we should withdraw from the negotiations, the majority of respondents said that we should not.

Who do we believe is telling the truth here and who is blatantly lying? It is obvious one of them is LYING!

If I had to pick the one who is spinning lies, I would go for MitreSKI!

This following quote from a Mitreski post should be taken into consideration with the large sum of money (US $150K) donated by a Turkish organisation, i.e. a non-Macedonian source.

A. Mitreski: "...So there you have it. People that donate and support UMD get to influence the direction of UMD...."

I guess the Turkish TLC (who may only be the bagmen for some other agency!?), according to UMD Chairman (of the Board) would have the most say!

julie · 05-26-2010, 06:15 AM

Meto, why dont you tell Mitreski to shut up? So that the UMD can have credibility and gain greater membership?

Surely you can see the frustration of everyone in the diaspora. Are we all not here for the one common Macedonian Cause. Or are we going to sell our mothers and grandmothers for a buck.

Why should Mitreski be able to say that shit? Pay us and we will do what you say?
These respondents who believe in the negotiations and to sell our identity, Meto, surely you can see that is not the wish of the diaspora!

abre koga ke se razbudite tseli? Imeto licthno Makedonsko ne si go menuvam. Jas nekoy so billiardi dolari da mi dade i da mi rechi, poveke nema Makedonia, nema imeto da si go drzhime poveke, jas ke mu recham da si gi piknate parite vo gezo. Aman, razbudi se , nashiot narod e nay zaspan , so pari ke se prodavat nivnata krv. za stramota. Makedonia da ne postoe, .

May God save Macedonia. Vechna da bide.

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05-26-2010, 02:28 AM	#3703
Vangelovski Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,521	Meto seems to think the Australian Macedonian communities don't communicate with each other, but they do and they share information. UMD did in fact gain some recruits, however, the quality of most of these recruits is nothing to brag about. He'll soon learn that most of them are more of a liability than an asset. Others, are the charlatans that turn up for photo ops, pretend they're someone important, promise the world and then disappear. I in fact, I witnessed a number of these in the Canberra/Queanbeyan session myself. They're always looking for someone new and unsuspecting and that is the trap you fall into when you're doing wirlwind tours. __________________ If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14 The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

05-26-2010, 04:25 AM	#3706
Volk Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 894	who still uses a library? Everything is digital now, a libary in my view is a waste of money. A website with a digitized archive accessible world wide is a much better idea __________________ Makedonija vo Srce

05-26-2010, 05:53 AM	#3708
osiris Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,969	the kid andrew is a very impresive young man and having met him i was quite taken by his intelligence and commitment. guys we have had student groups teachers groups and at one point a container full of books for the establishment of a library the books ended up rotting, i dont know what has happened to the teachers and old university students club. lets hop from now on we can maintain and grow our organisation of university educated people. we are the only community who seem to have lost a whole generation of our educated ones. thats not good enough and thats what one of my aims is for mto that we motivate them all to return and contribute to our community Last edited by osiris; 05-26-2010 at 05:56 AM.

05-26-2010, 06:15 AM	#3710
julie Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: makedonska colonia Posts: 3,869	Meto, why dont you tell Mitreski to shut up? So that the UMD can have credibility and gain greater membership? Surely you can see the frustration of everyone in the diaspora. Are we all not here for the one common Macedonian Cause. Or are we going to sell our mothers and grandmothers for a buck. Why should Mitreski be able to say that shit? Pay us and we will do what you say? These respondents who believe in the negotiations and to sell our identity, Meto, surely you can see that is not the wish of the diaspora! abre koga ke se razbudite tseli? Imeto licthno Makedonsko ne si go menuvam. Jas nekoy so billiardi dolari da mi dade i da mi rechi, poveke nema Makedonia, nema imeto da si go drzhime poveke, jas ke mu recham da si gi piknate parite vo gezo. Aman, razbudi se , nashiot narod e nay zaspan , so pari ke se prodavat nivnata krv. za stramota. Makedonia da ne postoe, . May God save Macedonia. Vechna da bide. __________________ "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev Last edited by julie; 05-26-2010 at 06:20 AM.

05-26-2010, 01:30 AM	#3702
Rogi Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,343	Let's keep things real. Among Australian-Macedonians, UMD is considered an "American thing". Hardly anything is known about UMD in Australia. Those who attended the UMD Functions in February, were the same people who attend all community events. Many, or most of them are family friends and/or relatives of the members and readers of this forum. As for the growth in the number of paid UMD members from Australia, it very well may have grown substantially, relative to pre-existing low number of members from Australia. In reality, this forum has the same, if not more registered members from Australia.

05-26-2010, 02:44 AM	#3705
Prolet Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 5,241	Risto, On tuesday's edition of 3zzz radio there was an interview with the President of the Mladina Andrew Ananievski who will be one of the speakers at the UMD Conference in Toronto. This guy from what i've heard is on the rise and has the respect of many leaders within our community he is a young guy i think he is 18 or 19 years old. He mentioned that one of the plans that he's got is for our people to build a Macedonian Library in Australia. Its a fantastic initiative no doubt about it.

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