United Macedonia Diaspora

[Soldier of Macedon]

Originally Posted by OziMak

By the way in a different thread much earlier I proposed Prolet Jankovska and Bucktop for the three diaspora seats in parliament so they can give the what for and set them strait

Buktop and Prolet? Lol, you're joking, right?

Originally Posted by Buktop

I consider UMD one of many organizations that represent me

Thanks for casting your vote, "a" or "the" representative, irrelevant, don't knit-pick. The fact is, when Meto and the UMD talk, you consider them your representative.

[Buktop]

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

The figures are there in black and white, regardless of 'what YOU know'.

And what is your point? Even if the census was 100% accurate, which it's not, what is your point? that 120k turks in the US can't raise $300k? I have already addressed this in my previous post.

You are so blinded by your frustration that you are going to argue with me over the actual number of Turks in the US?

Did you miss these questions buddy?
Have you ever seen the US census question on ethnicity? Do you know people who administrate the US census?

[Buktop]

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

Conspiracy?? US Government funding for charitable organisations is not a conspiracy, nor is it illegal. However, in circumstances such as this one, it does go towards the "moral credentials" of the recieving organisation.

No but you alleging that it was government funding for the purposes of "policy alignment" is conspiracy, and no amount of rationalization will change that... Do some research and let us know if you find the real assassins of JFK while you are at it...

[Vangelovski]

Buktop,

Why on earth would a Turkish non-profit organisation incorporated in 2007 provide $300,000 to non Turkish organisations?

And yes, I am questioning the ability of a newly incorporated organisation to raise so much funding to give to other community organisations from such a small population in such a short period of time. Don't you think they would have more pressing issues than Meto's salary and trips around the world?

Policy alignment is not a conspiracy - it happens on a daily basis. The moral 'credibility' of it is something else.

[Buktop]

Originally Posted by Soldier of Macedon

Thanks for casting your vote, "a" or "the" representative, irrelevant, don't knit-pick. The fact is, when Meto and the UMD talk, you consider them your representative.

Well depending on which "article" you use can change the meaning of the question. Just trying to eliminate any discrepancies.

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by Buktop

And what is your point? Even if the census was 100% accurate, which it's not, what is your point? that 120k turks in the US can't raise $300k? I have already addressed this in my previous post.

Do you reckon they could muster $30 million in contributions and grants in a year?

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by Buktop

Well depending on which "article" you use can change the meaning of the question. Just trying to eliminate any discrepancies.

Buktop,

If you want to eliminate any doubt, let us know which UMD policies and/or statements you do not agree with.

[Buktop]

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

Buktop,

Why on earth would a Turkish non-profit organisation incorporated in 2007 provide $300,000 to non Turkish organisations?

And yes, I am questioning the ability of a newly incorporated organisation to raise so much funding to give to other community organisations from such a small population in such a short period of time. Don't you think they would have more pressing issues than Meto's salary and trips around the world?

Policy alignment is not a conspiracy - it happens on a daily basis. The moral 'credibility' of it is something else.

Why don't you contact them and ask them Vangelovski, rather than making accusations and conspiracy theories, make an actual effort to get some answers. Give them a call, write them an e-mail, just stop whining like a child.

I gave you plenty of reasons why such an organization would be capable of raising those funds. Do you happen to know the size of the Turkish diaspora?

Your accusation that the grant match was a government funded policy alignment is a conspiracy theory that you have no proof or evidence to support. You don't even have any valid reasoning to question it. You're whole line of questioning, and reasoning for alleging it was a policy alignment is because you don't understand why they would share some money with the UMD... You are a regular Sherlock Holmes...

[Buktop]

Originally Posted by Risto the Great

Do you reckon they could muster $30 million in contributions and grants in a year?

$30 million seems a bit much, they definitely have the capacity to raise a great deal of funding, not to mention whether or not they are connected to other Turkish diaspora orgs within the US or in Europe. While I don't believe the number is as high as $30 million, I would not be so quick to rule it out.

[Buktop]

I think another thing people should realize is the amount of funding that comes from big Business'. Donations are tax deductible and many companies are willing to throw some money towards non-profit orgs. Not all funding for UMD comes from Macedonians, and not all funding for Turkish orgs comes from Turks.