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Old 02-16-2012, 08:29 PM   #11
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Kosovo, while causing relative chaos, is not an existential threat to any of its neighbours.
Wow, another ray of stupidity has struck you down!
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Old 02-16-2012, 11:21 PM   #12
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dont mean to sound like a prick, but you and the author just realised this ?
Since when are things being done that is based on whats right ?
You should of never recognized Kosovo in the first place. We didnt for obvious reasons.

I used to be anti-Isreali but ever since the Turks pushed them into our arms I can honestly say Im happy with the growing relations with them. You know what, at the end of the day they are surrounded my Islamofascists planning their demise. As Christians we do acknowledge the Jews as the "chosen" people and if we are to believe in our traditions then they have a divine right to Jeruselem unless you prefer to give that away to Islam as well. I used to feel for the Palestinians but they cant even get their own act together so if they dont care for their cause, why should I ?
No, I've supported Palestine for years. I just think the comparison between Kosovo and Palestine makes it fundamentally clear that Kosovo is nothing more than a 'plant' or political strategy of America. If they really did care about self-determination, then Palestine would've been recognised years ago. All those bullshit reasons why Kosovo should be independent are only to add gloss to their own underlying interests.

Most of us were probably aware of this issue years ago, but I believe the author presents some very legitimate arguments that aren't always brought up in western media.

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Tom, I don't agree with this statement at all. Kosovo pose a very potent threat so long as they continue to harbour and protect terrorists. It's also made the theory of 'Greater Albania' somewhat achievable, and they aren't going to stop at Kosovo.
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Old 02-16-2012, 11:23 PM   #13
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Vangelovski is probably a big supporter of the greek macedonian negotiations. Vangelovski would also support if the Macedonian government agreed for the country to become 2 states, 1 for the albanians and 1 for the rest.
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Old 02-17-2012, 03:05 AM   #14
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Greece feels threatened by so called small country macedonia.It's in the land of make beleive.First it's the flag then the name.Also it claims that macedonia has irridentist claims on greece the truth is the other way round.Macedonia is powerless to take on greece,also it has written out any claims to greek territory in the constitution.But how come greece is protesting even after asking macedonia to rewrite it's constitution.The rest they say is politics.It has a certain paranoia regarding macedonia.
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Well Voltron I care less for the Jews and Palestinians ask any Orthodox Jew or Zionist Jew they will tell you it is written in the Book they are special you, me are beneath them

But you know what fuck them all what do you think about the Greeks acknowledge the Macedonians then say sorry
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Old 02-17-2012, 07:45 AM   #16
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it fundamentally clear that Kosovo is nothing more than a 'plant' or political strategy of America.
How ironic we believe the exact same about Macedonia. Camp Bondsteel, the George W Bush allegiance, Afghanistan, Iraq , Recognition of Kosovo.
Now since the NeoCons are gone and the support you had from them is no longer in place you found a new best friend in Turkey.

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Tom, I don't agree with this statement at all. Kosovo pose a very potent threat so long as they continue to harbour and protect terrorists. It's also made the theory of 'Greater Albania' somewhat achievable, and they aren't going to stop at Kosovo.
Only when you keep giving will they keep taking. A stand has to be made and a good first step is to prevent any further mosques from being built and stricter immigration policies for Albanians. Stronger central government and less minority rights but keeping individual rights as citizens. They wont like it but thats the only thing that can be done.

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Old 02-17-2012, 09:41 AM   #17
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How ironic we believe the exact same about Macedonia. Camp Bondsteel, the George W Bush allegiance, Afghanistan, Iraq , Recognition of Kosovo.
Now since the NeoCons are gone and the support you had from them is no longer in place you found a new best friend in Turkey.
Did I say something to upset you Voltron, or do you not like my username?

To classify America as a close friend of Macedonia is outright laughable. Perhaps you're forgetting about the bombs they dropped on Macedonian villages in the Aegean during the Greek civil war. Or maybe you fail to recall their support for Albanian terrorists in the 2001 conflict. A 'friend' wouldn't continually intervene in such a manner.

Turkey may have been our enemy once upon a time, yet they have shown far more goodwill towards Macedonia than any other nation in recent times. Don't let your hate for Turkey cloud your judgement. Greece has always played the victim, yet they have committed crimes against humanity that are still brushed under the carpet to this very day. However, they never hesitate to highlight their own suffering under ottoman rule. How about some double standards?

Besides, why does a political friendship with Turkey concern you at all? It still bothers me to this very day why Greece despises Macedonia and the Macedonians. I honestly believe the reason for this hatred stems from the fact that Greece would have to admit that their actions over the last century in particular were wrong, something a self-perceived victim is incapable of doing.
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Old 02-17-2012, 09:53 AM   #18
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Only when you keep giving will they keep taking. A stand has to be made and a good first step is to prevent any further mosques from being built and stricter immigration policies for Albanians. Stronger central government and less minority rights but keeping individual rights as citizens. They wont like it but thats the only thing that can be done.
I agree. A stand does need to be made, but the DPMNE government lacks the competence to implement such action. A very unfortunate set of circumstances, which will continue to pose a threat to the stability of the Balkans, whether it be Macedonia, Greece, Serbia or any other nation.
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To classify America as a close friend of Macedonia is outright laughable. Perhaps you're forgetting about the bombs they dropped on Macedonian villages in the Aegean during the Greek civil war. Or maybe you fail to recall their support for Albanian terrorists in the 2001 conflict. A 'friend' wouldn't continually intervene in such a manner.
When Rumfeld was leaving Macedonia right after Camp Bondsteel was approved, your constitutional name was recognized immediatly afterwards. I recall American Flags all over the place, at the time all the bombs in the world that fell in Macedonia didnt matter.

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Turkey may have been our enemy once upon a time, yet they have shown far more goodwill towards Macedonia than any other nation in recent times.

Besides, why does a political friendship with Turkey concern you at all?
It concerns me because I dont want an Ottoman Villayet close to our borders. I just dont understand that you will do almost anything in an attempt to get a few artificial perks from other global or regional players instead of just trying to work out the difference with Greece and moving forward. I have a hard time understanding that approach. Just trying to open up your eyes to reality. Nothing to do with you personally.

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I agree. A stand does need to be made, but the DPMNE government lacks the competence to implement such action. A very unfortunate set of circumstances, which will continue to pose a threat to the stability of the Balkans, whether it be Macedonia, Greece, Serbia or any other nation.
Well, I sincerely hope you guys do sooner than later. If there is a willl it can be done.
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