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Old 09-24-2008, 07:14 AM   #121
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SOM, the Macedonian question is still alive.
Until that is solved, we have a situation here where the Chinese is saying he is Japanese.
We have two sides to the story.
Greece refutes yours, and you refute Greeces.
Where to from here?
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Old 09-24-2008, 07:18 AM   #122
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Macedonia will lose everything if it compromises our identity.
I do not think anything will happen in relation to our name.
There will be a bi-lateral situation, but nothing else.
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Old 09-24-2008, 07:20 AM   #123
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SOM, the Macedonian question is still alive.
Until that is solved, we have a situation here where the Chinese is saying he is Japanese.
We have two sides to the story.
Greece refutes yours, and you refute Greeces.
Where to from here?
Greece refutes ours .... because it believes it has a connection with antiquity that the Macedonians apparently do not. Is this a valid argument? There is no other.
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Old 09-24-2008, 07:20 AM   #124
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Macedonia will lose everything if it compromises our identity.
I do not think anything will happen in relation to our name.
There will be a bi-lateral situation, but nothing else.
That seems the most likely outcome.

Do you think recognition for our people in Greece will follow, and under what circumstances?
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Old 09-24-2008, 07:25 AM   #125
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That seems the most likely outcome.

Do you think recognition for our people in Greece will follow, and under what circumstances?
Listen to the maggots ... solve the name issue, then the rights will follow in Greece. What a load of crap ... this will never ever happen. The only way it will happen in Greece is if Macedonians assert themselves. The Republic can help .... start off with a "dialect investigation" .... then encourage usage of Spolaj Ti etc. in RoM, then re-visit Konevski and make a song and dance about inclusion of Egej in the structure of our language (woohoo, 10 extra words) then encourage a celebration of the Macedonian identity circa 1920 when we were all the same. Do this with a government sponsored cultural centre. .... it goes on .....
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I think you are way off here Risto. There will be a change in name, and there will be recognition.
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Old 09-24-2008, 07:34 AM   #127
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There never was when Yugoslavia and the Socialist Republic of Macedonia was acceptable for the Greeks.
Why would anything change now? Stop pretending, it is sickening.
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Old 09-24-2008, 07:47 AM   #128
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It will change. The name will change.
When this happens, the "Slav Macedonian" minority will be formally recognised in Greece as such since their will be no more issues with regards to irredentism and the like.
Greece will be delighted to acknowledge and support its long established minority, as long as there is no ambiguity in their identification on the world stage.
The RoM will get the nod from Greece and will join the EU and Nato.
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Old 09-24-2008, 07:55 AM   #129
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Mate I think you're on the 'nod' given your commentry here. Greece will be the larger loser here, that you can be certain of, because we will never accept the proposals Greece has made.

It will be a bilateral issue and remain as such. Once we are in, then we will push with all our might to get the rights we deserve in Greece, and we will eventually win, for afterall, we are fighting in the name of self-determination and human rights, you are fighting in the name of supression and arrogance.

We don't need handouts of bread crumbs to live happily ever after, better to remain with our identity and dignity intact rather than sellout.
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Old 09-24-2008, 07:56 AM   #130
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Again, why have they not been acknowledged to date?
Didn't Macedonia happen with Tito ... no-one complained about Tito ... therefore there was no problem before 1990. Recognition was never on the table and still is not. Stop lying and suggesting it will be. We are talking about Greece ... the last bastion of the 19th century.
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