Macedonia and Bulgaria: Political Relations

[Big Bad Sven]

The funny thing about the "ski" ending is that bulgarian slavs claim that it is fake and was added on to macedonian surnames by Tito to "brainwash" macedonians into thinking they are not bulgarian and that every macedonian had the ov/ova surname ending before Tito.
Funny that today we have bulgarian slav idiots who know have done a 360 and say the "ski" ending is a "true bulgarian surname" and that macedonians stole it from the bulgarian slavs....... LOL

The even more pathetic thing is that it now appears serbs are believing this stupid lie, but have slightly altered this little lie to suit their agendas.
Apparently the macedonians all had "-ic" ending surnames but then Tito made them change it to ski........


From the serbian-american idiot Carl Savich:

The –ski ending was generally accepted as denoting Macedonian identity. The fallacy of this argument is that it assumes that there was no Serbian identification in Vratnica before 1912. The Communist regime in Macedonia adopted the –ski ending after World War II for the official last name. The Communist regime of the Republic of Macedonia sought to “remedy” and “reverse” the policies of the Serbian royalist regime by “restoring” the Macedonian nationality and national and ethnic identity in Macedonia. The centuries-long Serbian national, religious, and ethnic identity of Vratnica could not be eradicated. The history of Vratnica demonstrates that ethnic, religious, and national identities cannot be created and destroyed that easily.

http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/083.shtml

The small detail that both the bulgarian slavs and serbs have missed out is that not every one in macedonia has a surname that ends in "ski", almost half the population have the "ov" ending, and smaller amounts of people have "-in", "sek" or "ic".....

[Soldier of Macedon]

They seem to miss alot, but they have ignorance in abundance, savich being a perfect example.

[VMRO]

If they don't claim the Ski at the end of surnames, then they cannot claim Sandanski, Berovski and Maleshevski.

Strange how they thought about this now.

[Onur]

Here is an example too see who we are dealing with. Read these news, it`s so funny

Bulgarian Minister Exchanges Insults with Top Archaeologist over St. John the Baptist Relics

Bulgaria’s Diaspora Minister and renowned historian Bozhidar Dimitrov has entered into an exchange of insults with perhaps the most famous Bulgarian archaeologist Nikolay Ovcharov over the recent discovery of the relics of St. John the Baptist in Sozopol.

“Why, damn it, why, where is all this envy coming from?! This is what I cannot find an explanation with this fucking people, with these fucking colleagues,” the Diaspora Minister and a former Director of the Bulgarian National History Museum, said when expressing his indignation that some of the Bulgarian archaeologists had declared the triumph over the relics of St. John the Baptist premature. “I am starting a discussion. Today Ovcharov came out with his name, and started quarreling with me. The “fuckers” are no longer anonymous. We are now going to be fighting personally, with our names,” Dimitrov said.

In his first comment, Dimitrov states that he did not know who those anonymous archaeologists doubting the discovery of the holy relics were, but that he would take care of those “shepherds” when he found out. This statement is a word play with the last name of Professor Ovcharov (“ovchar” meaning “shepherd” in Bulgarian).

In his second comment Dimitrov talks disparagingly about the civilization of Ancient Thrace, in which he compares the Thracians to modern-day Bulgarian “mutri” (i.e. former wrestlers turned gangsters) for their boisterousness and their affinity for gold; he further claimed that medieval Bulgarian monuments and documents were more important (Ancient Thrace flourished in the 6th-3rd century BC, while the medieval Bulgarian state was set up on the same territory in the 7th century), and that today’s archaeology in Bulgaria had turned into an epitome of “primitive thinking” designed for the “mass public.”

August 6, 2010

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=118913

I bet even in Africa, we cant find a minister who speaks with the words like "fcking people" and he is supposedly a scholar, lol. He is teasing with the surname of archeologist, calling him as "fcking college" then he identifies Thracians as "gangsters", an extinct society of 500BC, haha

Minister: Nude Bulgarian Women Come to Venerate St. John Relics

Bulgaria’s Diaspora Minister Bozhidar Dimitrov has criticized Bulgarian women for entering churches in revealing clothes, after he has already been making headlines with controversial statements.

“The Bulgarian women go to church in very revealing clothes, with only their nipples covered; compare them with the Russian women, of whom even the lowliest whore would put a headscarf on, and then enter a church,” Dimitrov commented at the end of last week.

“Some people are now angry with me, and they want me to apologize to them. I am not going to apologize. When they put clothes on, then I will apologize. Nobody can say about me that I don’t love the Bulgarian women. I have shown that in past 60 years or so. I am always loved the Bulgarian women, and they have always loved me. But one must know when to take their clothes off and when to put clothes on,” the Diaspora Minister concluded.

August 9, 2010

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=118994

This is more funnier. While criticizing Bulgar women, he mentions about lowliest whores of Russia, haha and i wonder what he is trying to say here;

Nobody can say about me that I don’t love the Bulgarian women. I have shown that in past 60 years or so. I am always loved the Bulgarian women, and they have always loved me.

LOL, whatta hick

Bulgaria should be the worst country in the world for the quality of politics. Even USA politicians are gentlemen comparing to these people.

Bulgarian Opposition Demands Axing Minister over Scandalous Statements

The Bulgarian Socialist Party, the former party of Diaspora Minister Bozhidar Dimitrov, has demanded his sacking over the controversial statements that he made over the past week after the discovery of the relics of St. John the Baptist in Sozopol.

“Bozhidar Dimitrov cannot remain in politics. Otherwise Prime Minister Borisov will suffer a lot of negative backlash that he personally did no cause,” stated Anton Kutev, spokesperson of the Bulgarian Socialist Party with respect to Dimitrov’s statements in some of which he spoke of the Bulgarians and the archaeologists in Bulgaria as “fucking people”. Dimitrov subsequently refused to apologize for his statements and made further controversial remarks about the Bulgarian women.

“After these words, Dimitrov must really quit politics, and must start dealing with something that does not have to do with the “fucking” people. I would ask him to apologize to me and to the Bulgarian Socialist Party. This “fucking people” is paying Dimitrov and Borisov’s salaries, and if Dimitrov does not want to apologize, the Prime Minister must do that for him,” Kutev declared.

He explicitly added that Dimitrov must quit politics altogether because there was a likelihood that if he is axed as a “minister of miracles” (Kutev apparently referred to Dimitrov’s promotion of archaeology finds – editor’s note), he might become a Member of Parliament, and still get paid by the “fucking people.”

“The “bad human material” has become a “fucking people”,” declared in turn another BSP MP, Korneliya Ninova, who reminded of a controversial statement that Bulgarian PM (then Sofia Mayor) Borisov made in Chicago in February 2010 in which he referred to much of the Bulgarian population as “bad human material.”

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=119023

[Prolet]

He is one of the biggest Anti Macedonians, to top it off Boyko Borisov said he only put him there because he is his friend so you can imagine what kind of a country Bulgaria is.

Its really hard to negotiate with these people, when they are so stubborn and are not even prepared to offer a good deal. That friendship agreement is more like a Trojan Horse.

[VMRO]

Bozhidar Fagmitrov/French newspaper fiasco.

Diaspora Minister Praises French Press for Bulgarian-Macedonian Tie


Bulgaria: Diaspora Minister Praises French Press for Bulgarian-Macedonian Tie
The map published by “Le Figaro” shows Macedonian as being entirely a Bulgarian priority. Map by “Le Fiagro”

Bulgaria’s Minister without Portfolio for Bulgarians abroad, Bozhidar Dimitrov, said Tuesday he was not at all surprised the French daily “Le Figaro” defined the Macedonian Slavs as Bulgarians.

“French journalists have this “strange habit” to ask experts when they write about history. And French historians are some of the best in the world. There is an Institute for Byzantine Studies in Paris and never, not even once in many, many years, have they called the our country during the times of Tsars Samuil, Gavril Radomir and Ivan Vladislav anything else but Bulgarian State and the latter simply Bulgarian kings. France had Consuls all over Macedonia all the way until World War I and they informed the historians and the government what exactly is the Macedonian population,” Dimitrov, who is also a well-known historian, is quoted saying.

According to the Minister, regarding the fact “Le Figaro” wrote the Macedonian language is a dialect of Bulgarian, the French journalist, most likely, consulted the French “Encyclopedia of Languages” published five years ago. Dimitrov further said the encyclopedic definition stirred a strong reaction in Skopje some time ago, but the French refused to make any changes.

The Minister pointed out the article had just one, small mistake over calling the Bulgarian minority in Turkey Pomaks i.e. Bulgarian Muslims. He explained the French wrongly thought those were the people who left Bulgaria in 1989 after the so-called Revival Process, which was a campaign of the former Communist regime, forcing Muslim's to replace their native names with Bulgarian ones.

“There are indeed 350 000 Bulgarian Muslims in Turkey, but they emigrated in 1951 and from 1968 to 1979. At the time they had to give up their Bulgarian citizenship, while those from 1989 did not; they kept it and are now able to vote,” Dimitrov stated.

Several days ago “Le Figaro” published an article criticizing Bulgaria, Romania, and Hungary for granting citizenship to people outside the EU, listing which country gives what passports to whom and pointing out Macedonia is fully a Bulgarian priority. The article further noted, Bulgaria grants passports in Turkey, the Ukraine, Moldova, Albania and Greece by insisting these are areas populated by Bulgarians. The author explained some historians believe Macedonia is part of the Bulgarian nation while the Macedonian language is a dialect of Bulgarian.

[Onur]

This article doesn't surprise me at all since i know that all the French media are under control of the assimilated Armenians who are proud French catholics now. We also know that Armenians always favor Greek thesis.

Le figaro is another laughing stock for us. They cant even make up their minds about Turkey cuz they publish different maps of her everyday. One day, half of Turkey being shown as "Great Armenian Empire" but next day, It`s "Kurdistan". It depends according to the article below it but you can never see the current valid map of 1000 year old Turkey on Le Figaro.


Here is the original article;

http://www.lefigaro.fr/international/2010/08/11/01003-20100811ARTFIG00554-de-l-atlantique-au-bosphore-l-union-s-elargit-en-catimini.php

Environ 1,4 million de Macédoniens (soit les trois quarts de la population) pourraient bénéficier d'un passeport européen. Au regard de certains historiens, la Macédoine constitue l'une des marches de la nation bulgare. La langue macédonienne ne serait d'ailleurs rien d'autre qu'un dialecte bulgare.

French(Armenian) author says that the 1.4 million of Macedonians are the target of Bulgaria for delivering Bulgarian passports. I guess this is all the population of Christian Macedonians excluding muslim Torbesh, Albanians and others.

Author also says that according to some historians(who? lol ) ROM is a part of Bulgarian nation and Macedonian language is nothing more than a dialect of Bulgar language.

Sofia se soucie aussi des Pomaks, Bulgares islamisés ŕ l'époque de l'occupation ottomane. Cette minorité, estimée ŕ 900.000 personnes avant la chute du communisme, a été victime d'une politique d'assimilation forcée qui a culminé ŕ la fin des années 1980. Quelque 350.000 Pomaks se sont réfugiés en Turquie et ne devraient donc pas avoir ŕ attendre une éventuelle adhésion d'Ankara pour obtenir un passeport européen.

This is another provocation since author calls all the 900.000 muslim population of Bulgaria as Pomaks. He even says that all the 350.000 muslims who have been expelled by communist Bulgars as Pomaks again. It`s no surprise again tough since i know they are allergic to the term "Turks", thats why the Armenian author deliberately calls all of them as islamized Bulgars during Ottoman reign. I have several friends here who came from Bulgaria at 1989 and they consider this as an insult because some of these Turkish people lived in current Bulgaria for more than 500 years and they can even prove their Turkish heritage with the documents. How come they all became Pomaks now? It`s unbelievable.

La Moldavie a une histoire compliquée. Elle a été créée par Staline ŕ partir d'un territoire qui appartenait ŕ l'ex-URSS et de la Bessarabie, qui fut une province roumaine de 1918 ŕ 1940 puis de 1941 ŕ 1944. Deux tiers des Moldaves sont roumanophones et un tiers russophone.

He says that there are romainian and Russian speaking people in Moldova. Although there is no Russian people in Moldova. It`s so obvious that he is talking about Gagauz Turks here because they don't speak romanian but they speak and educate in Turkish and Russian. Russian education is still preserved in Gagauzia at Moldova because they refused to get romanian education in autonomous Gagauzia even after the collapse of USSR. The author shows his allergy again to the term "Turks" and calls them as Russian speakers.



Both ROM and Gagauzia are the prime targets for this so-called Bulgarian diaspora ministry. Is there any politician in ROM who objected this nonsense yet? because it`s so obvious that this so-called ministry is directed against the ROM with the aim of her disintegration. It`s the same for the autonomous region of Gagauzia.

It`s also very interesting that the people of western Europe who usually are very allergic to the new immigrants are totally silent for the actions of Bulgaria. I bet EU supports Bulgaria and remains silent by hoping that this can disintegrate some nations in eastern Europe. I can guess that because they tried same cheap tactic for Turkish Cypriots few years ago.

[Big Bad Sven]

Armenians are loyal butt kissers to the neo griks and the slimy serbs, so it wouldnt suprise me that they tow the anti-macedonian line

Long live the orthodox union

[Risto the Great]

Nationalists Protest as Macedonia Bans Bulgarian License Plates

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=120070

Dozens of activists of the Bulgarian nationalist party VMRO have staged a protest against a measure of the Macedonian government banning Bulgarian license plates.

The VMRO activists protested on the international road between Sofia and Skopje, close to the Macedonian border putting up barbed wire as a symbol of protest against the regulation of the authorities in Skopje.

According to the VMRO party, thousands of Macedonians (with or without Bulgarian passports) have bought cars in Bulgaria and have registered them in Sofia, Blagoevgrad or Kyustendil.

The Macedonian government is now forcing them to put Macedonian license plate in a procedure that costs EUR 1 200, said the Deputy Chair of VMRO Angel Dzhambazki.

"Buying and registering your car in Bulgaria is a sign of one's self-determination as a Bulgarian. (No it isn't dickhead, it is a sign of getting cheap stolen cars that the "highly proper EU approved" Bulgarian nation is famous for ... and it is cheaper to register them there - Risto the Great)This is why we are going to support our compatriots in Macedonia. As we speak, they are staging a protest rally in Skopje. The protests will continue until the Prime Minister of Macedonia Nikola Gruevski does not renounces this measure," Dzhambazki said.

The Macedonian paper Utrinski Vesnik has reported that the FYROM government will not change its decision. According the newspaper there are at least 50 000 cars in Macedonia with foreign license plates, which means that changing them should generate some EUR 100 M. The deadline for that is September 30. Serbia introduced a similar measure in July.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Registering a vehicle is a sign of self-determination? Hahahaha, desperate idiots.

[fyrOM]

One would say about time. There are losses in sales and registration let alone the theft of vehicles to fuel the illegal trade.

But one would need to taper the preceding statements by checking that this is not going to create an overpriced rip-off merchants inside Macedonia. If the licences to import vehicles into Macedonia are expensive few will be able to do this and will then become robber barons holding the population to ransom.

A similar case in point is Australia where cars cloths and other items are considerably more expensive than the usa and Europe. The old line which is wearing very thin is that the distance we are adds significantly to the cost. Funny enough with the internet more and more people are buying directly from the usa and even with shipping are making considerable savings. It is larger items like cars which make it difficult to follow the internet route.

In the whole I would say it sounds like a good thing but it depends how the government is going to make it work.

[Makedonetz]

A newspaper depicting our country as this The Macedonian paper Utrinski Vesnik has reported that the FYROM government will not change its decision. Shouldn't be taken worth a grain of salt. Hell maybe vehicles in Bulgaria are going dirt cheap! I Don't see them making a problem with the discrimination that happened in Halkidiki

[Prolet]

We all know that these people are Macedonians who sold their souls for a 500 euro car from Bulgaria. What do they think we are a banana republic? You buy a car from another country then you register it, this is the same law everywhere the customs were lowered and taxes were scrapped (Up to 3000 euros) and they are looking at ways to lowering the so called Green Card which is something they really need to look at its an insurance which allows you to drive out of country, in all other countries its lot cheaper and so forth.

There is no doubt that the Macedonian Government needs to look at this issue in order to be more competitive, however if you are going to buy a car from another country and you live in Macedonia you have register it with Macedonian number plates. Try importing a car into Australia with foreign number plates in Australia they probably wont let you drive it here.

As for the protest, they drove 10 cars infront of the Vlada, they were lead by Dragi Karov from Veles who is a well known Bugarofil who made a statue of Todor Aleksandrov on his front lawn.

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

Buying and registering your car in Bulgaria is a sign of one's self-determination as a Bulgarian.

I guess the tatars are smarter than I thought. Anyone got a 39IQ Mongol trophy for them?

[Prolet]

Borisov supports Turkey's EU bid

Onur, Could it be that Bulgaria is changing its policy towards Turkey?



PLAMEN YOTINSKI AND VESSELIN ZHELEV

Today @ 08:19 CET

Bulgaria's Prime Minister Boiko Borisov has pledged support for Turkey's accession to the EU in a move likely to irritate his main European mentors, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and France's President Nicolas Sarkozy.

During a joint news conference on Monday (4 October) with his visiting Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Mr Borisov argued in favour of Ankara's EU candidacy and harshly dismissed criticism by France's ambassador in Bulgaria, Etienne de Poncins, that Sofia had failed to take a clear position on Turkey's EU prospects.

The Turkish (l) and Bulgarian leaders shake hands on Monday in Sofia (Photo: Plamen Stoimenov, Trud )

Ms Merkel is at best lukewarm about Turkey's admission to the 27-member bloc, while Mr Sarkozy is openly against it. Both conservative leaders are seen as supporters of the centre-right Mr Borisov because of his stated commitment to purge Bulgaria of crime and corruption. But the Balkan leader, a policeman and bodyguard earlier in his career, has yet to prove himself as a reliable diplomat.

Questions about his views on Turkey's application, implying a dilemma on his loyalty to France and Germany, made Mr Borisov lose his temper.

"It is pointless to reply to the French ambassador," he told reporters with Mr Erdogan standing next to him.

"We are a sovereign state and treat foreign ambassadors with due respect. But in Bulgaria they often overstep their rights when they speak in public," he added, referring to Mr Poncins.

"If our ambassador in Paris tried to advise Sarkozy this way he would be ordered out of France. I am not going to comment on what a state employee has said."

Mr Borisov, who heads a minority government supported by the fervently nationalist Ataka party, ruled out a possible referendum on Turkey's EU accession, thereby rejecting an Ataka demand. Another of his parliamentary allies, the conservative Democrats for a Strong Bulgaria, headed by former Prime Minister Ivan Kostov, opposes Turkey's EU admission too.

During the Cold War, Bulgaria and Turkey were front-line adversaries, divided by a heavily guarded border with minefields and numerous armies on each side.

Relations warmed when after the 1989 fall of Communism Bulgaria restored the rights of its 10-percent ethnic Turkish minority and allowed a party to represent it in parliament. Turkey strongly supported Bulgaria's admission to NATO in 2004. It is a key trading partner for Bulgaria and a possible route for Caspian gas supplies, which would diversify the country's dependence on Russian exports.