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  • Makedonska_Kafana
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2010
    • 2642

    Originally posted by julie View Post
    why the flag of capitulation adorning the small child on the left though?
    Well, once again the UMD failed to do the correct thing ie designed by 12 year old Vesna Todorovska etc, I'm trying hard not to get technical depending if the artwork was done by an older member. Contest? I, had suggested they do the same as the Toronto Macedonian film festival so maybe?

    Blagojce who?
    Last edited by Makedonska_Kafana; 05-24-2011, 07:45 PM.
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    • Volk
      Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 894

      Originally posted by UMDiaspora.org View Post
      Let's not bicker, let's celebrate in unity 20 years of Macedonian Independence.

      See posters by renowned California-based artist Blagojce Stojanovski....Register to attend the UMD Global Conference on June 23-25, 2011 in Washington, D.C. http://www.UMDGlobalConference.org.


      Very nice


      why the flag of capitulation adorning the small child on the left though?
      Julie if you think that is the 'flag of capitulation' I suggest you familiarise yourself with the Macedonian symbols
      Makedonija vo Srce

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      • Risto the Great
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 15658

        Isn't that the flag the Vlachs use lately?
        Risto the Great
        MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
        "Holding my breath for the revolution."

        Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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        • Vangelovski
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 8531

          Ancient Macedonians used the 8- and 16-ray sonce (I think there were other combinations as well). Regardless, the 8-ray sonce (as opposed to the ventilator which happens to have 8 propellers) is not an imposed symbol. Having said that, I'm confident this is just another cheap, temporary PR exercise.
          If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

          The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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          • Makedonska_Kafana
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2010
            • 2642

            Originally posted by vangelovski View Post

            regardless, the 8-ray sonce (as opposed to the ventilator which happens to have 8 propellers)
            lele omg .. flag of NATO

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            • George S.
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2009
              • 10116

              one of the crazy claims to the 16 ray sun symbol iclaims is that they claim exclusive use bacause it was discovered on greek soil & they say it appears no where & the rom macedonians are jumping on the band wagon since 1978.They forget that the the 16 ray sun is plastered everywhere be it churches,cultural things,clothes etc.THe 8 ray sun which was reduced to the ventilator is a capitulation flag and we are waiting any minute from japan to be told we can't use it.So in all the annals of history how can one country dictate to another what should be their flag or name.The answer comes back only if we are stupid enough to let them.Isn't there more sillier or stupider to describe a country that want's to comprimise the flag allready now it's name.
              "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
              GOTSE DELCEV

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              • UMDiaspora.org
                Member
                • Oct 2009
                • 525

                Dr. Dusko Aleksovski of the Rock Art Academy in Macedonia, one of the most prominent world scholars on Rock Art discovered an 8-ray sun from 6,000 if not more years ago in Macedonia, as well as the 16-ray sun. Greeks cannot have exclusivity to this symbol.

                Why don't you all do some more research and get back to all of us.
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                • Soldier of Macedon
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 13670

                  Originally posted by UMDiaspora.org View Post
                  Greeks cannot have exclusivity to this symbol.
                  How about the Macedonians, do they have the right to exclusively claim the ancient Macedonian symbol as their national symbol?
                  Why don't you all do some more research and get back to all of us.
                  Why don't you? We already do plenty of research here. You can start by producing evidence of the 16-ray sun in use 6,000 years ago, like you stated:
                  .....an 8-ray sun from 6,000 if not more years ago in Macedonia, as well as the 16-ray sun.
                  Can you corroborate that statement?
                  In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                  • Makedonska_Kafana
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2010
                    • 2642

                    On, a slightly different note organizations like the MPO delivered much of the same content each year (past) and that quickly became less and less interesting to people attending. At, some point people will just tune you out and make other choices. Most, of their supporters much like UMD are interested in 3 days of booze and parties. Make, a totally booze free event and see what happens.

                    I, like to see something NEW and fresh each day/year which keeps interest levels high. Politicians, are never crowd favorites at the best of times. Change, conference to 3 years planning aka time heals most wounds? (not all)

                    Entertainment and fun does matter.

                    What, does the UMD plan to do as far as the above two are concerned? A Name is a Name does not count this year .. New
                    Last edited by Makedonska_Kafana; 05-25-2011, 04:19 PM.
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                    • Makedonska_Kafana
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2010
                      • 2642

                      Let, me refresh the UMD’s memory about something I suggested over two years ago. (1 of 500)

                      It’s very difficult to hold annual conferences in different cities without major funding and resources. What, I said at that time was they needed to set up official boards in several key locations ie Melbourne, Toronto, Detroit, Crown Point etc. After, the groups were in place all regional groups hold 2-3 annual events per year with one main conference in Washington DC every three years. The, ONLY reason the MPO is able to continue is financial support from their church of that given year - whatever, that is I don't care or even want to know.

                      Makes, too much sense and very anti UMD so I will continue to watch and wait while Macedonians choose other clubs - golf

                      Official boards are never planning committee's - eight, years is alot of planning and time to put up or take up a new hobby.
                      Last edited by Makedonska_Kafana; 05-25-2011, 05:47 PM.
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                      • George S.
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 10116

                        Skype conferencing would foot the bill.Why not have meetings by the use of technology.That's too easy.
                        "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                        GOTSE DELCEV

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                        • Makedonska_Kafana
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2010
                          • 2642

                          Originally posted by George S. View Post
                          Skype conferencing would foot the bill.Why not have meetings by the use of technology.That's too easy.
                          They have conference calls now, not working very well - limited results and miles apart
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                          • George S.
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 10116

                            so travel expenses are a must if they are going to an AGM.
                            "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                            GOTSE DELCEV

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                            • Vangelovski
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 8531

                              Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
                              How about the Macedonians, do they have the right to exclusively claim the ancient Macedonian symbol as their national symbol?

                              Why don't you? We already do plenty of research here. You can start by producing evidence of the 16-ray sun in use 6,000 years ago, like you stated:

                              Can you corroborate that statement?
                              Meto makes a lot of BS statements that he cannot corroborate and when called on he disappears until the thread rolls over to a new page, hoping that everyone has forgetten his most recent claims.
                              If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                              The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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                              • Makedonska_Kafana
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2010
                                • 2642

                                Originally posted by George S. View Post
                                so travel expenses are a must if they are going to an AGM.
                                well, i think they will be happy to get past june before the fly again = expensive events. no one needs to fly anywhere if you know what you're doing, regional events.
                                Last edited by Makedonska_Kafana; 05-25-2011, 06:48 PM.
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