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Old 10-16-2020, 10:08 PM   #471
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Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz (1646-1716), who literally said: "That the Illyrian s (= Slavs) and Celts borrowed their linguistic elements to the (modern) Albanian language..."
Hi Carlin, I cannot make sense of "borrowed to", will you please clarify this for me? i.e. Who or what is doing the borrowing?
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Old 10-17-2020, 12:58 AM   #472
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By the way the Suda refers to these people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_Albania
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Albanian language parallels with the Balto-Slavic languages

Gustav Mayer was the first and, after him, all other scholars, who compared the Albanian language with the Balto-Slavic, came to the conclusion that the Albanian language is the brother of Lithuanian. So, as an example, Norbert Jokl, known as an undoubted friend of the Albanian people. He says that the Albanian language has strong similarities with the Balto-Slavic languages, as well as with the Hungarian-Finnish languages.

In the field of vocabulary, Albanian Shaban Demiraj cites many words, to which we attach many words from ALBANIAN ETYMOLOGICAL DICTIONARY, just enough to get an idea of ​​this similarity:


Albanian Lithuanian


acar arus

ajk alkti

amull mulve

ar ra (Latvian)



bal balas, bls (lat.)

balt baltas

bli blindis

boj bgti

bot buts

bredh brend

brez briaun

buj bund

buz bude



cerm sarma (lat.)

cit kietas



ars skrti

jerr sliri



dak dvekti

dang danga (lat.)

dash dausos

dell gysla

derdh dardeti

dik dykas

djal dels (lat.)

djeg deg

dra dradzi (lat.)

dranga drangan

dre draudiu, druvas (lat.)

dreg drginti

duaj dona

dhemb embi



end indas

err aur

esh eys

et alkti



fishkem pkas

flak leki

flakt plokčias

flet leki

fryj sprugstu



galamsh, lamsh lemesis (lat.)

gardh gardas

gdhij diena

ger gauras

grdhij grendiu

grshas giri

gledh glodus

gobell gaubti

grah giri

grave griov, grava (lat.)

grer, gremz uruo

grell gurklys

grih griej

grij geri

grim geri

grun rnis

gryk griva

guall galv

gur giri



gjaj labas

gjak sakai

gjalm i-selpineti

gjasht galas

gjer josti

gjuh galsas

gjysm jumis (lat.)



hale skal

harr skiri

hime skiemuo

hip kpti

humb skumb

hurdh verdu

hyj ateivis



iki eiki

imt isas



jarg ars

jerm erms (lat.)

josh jaudinti

ju jus



kabisht kabeti

kalesh laiska

karm kerp

karp karpa

kep kapi

ketr kuokas

kpurdh kpur

krtyl tulas

krrab ker

ksen kenki

kshtall stalas

koll kosulys

korr kas

kreh grebti

krimb krmis

krip kraups

kungull kunkulas

kulpr klpa



llnjs slienas

llurb laure

llup lpti, lupt (lat.)



la, l last (lat.)

lag liuga

land lenta

lap lapas

lat lopeta

leh loju

lej leisti

ler laure

lesh laikas

lpush lapas

lig (i) lig

lil leilas

lind leisti

ling linge

lop luops (lat.)

loqe liauk

lumak lub

lus lugoti, lndzu (lat.)

lyp liepi



maj mala (lat.)

mal mal

mat matuju

meh, mef mat (lat.)

mllenj melns (lat.)

mrsh mirti

mit mietas

mjedhr medis

mjegull migl

mjekr smakras

mjel meliu

modhull malis

mot metas

motr mote

murg margas



nat nakts

ndes dkyti

ndulkem tekli

ndjek tek

ngrij gliej

ngrydh gruiu

ngrys krauju

ngul klti

ngus kauti

ngjis gliej



pell pti

pelq pelce (lat.)

pjalm pelenai

pjerdh prdiu

plak pilkas

plas plats

plish pl(i)us

plogsht plokčias

purth purvas



qas keči

qek kaceti (lat.)

qers krkt (lat.)

qet laitas

qeth kaisti

qipi kaupos

qos kliaudyti

qyl kula



rjep repti

rys rauti

ryej raund



rrag sroga

rrek reik

rrime varmas

rroj roju

rryp verpti



sam uo

sr sausas

sqaq kekos

sut kos

sy ak



shkas sksti

shosh sijoju

shkas skantu

shkrab skrebeti

shkul keli

shkund skut

shorr seij

shpih peiki

shtag stega (lat.)

shtalbr stulbas

shtang stengiu

shteg staiga (lat.)

shtoj stoju

shtroh straja (lat.)



tan, tr tvinti, tvanas

tall tyl

ter tauras

tesh tayti

trash tras

trys truni



thaj sausas

thek ak

thirr irvas

thjerm irmas

thnegl angis



ujk vilkas



vang, vng vngis

vdes rek

verz varle

vesh ausis

vilas su-valyti

vjehrr uras

vjel valyti

vjerr veri

vjesht su-valyti

von vojus



zorr arna

zot viepats

zverk veri

zvjerdh veri


The cited lexical concordances are apparently not the only ones.

At first glance, some Lithuanian words do not seem to have anything to do with Albanian words. As an example, we mention rrag - sroga, fryj - sprugstu and zot - viepats. But, if we compare the Lithuanian equivalent with the proto-Albanian form *srauga - sroga, *sprugnja - sprugstu and *w(i)tpati - viepats, we will see that we are dealing with the same words.



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Old 10-21-2020, 10:22 AM   #474
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By the way the Suda refers to these people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_Albania
Could you please elaborate?

In another Suda version it refers to Albanians as an Italian people. I don't know if "this error" was due to a copying error or if it was intentional?
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Old 10-21-2020, 01:26 PM   #475
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These are the "Gallic" (more correctly) Galatian people and where the (Eastern) Galatia was.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galatia

I had found an essay having ALL references to Albanian in chronological order (including even women with the name Albania), but (I'm sorry) I can't locate it anymore. It was clear that all early references to Albania (starting from classical antiquity and all the way to Suida which is 1100 AD) refered to this "Albania" of Asia.
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1929, Serbian author Glisha Elezovic on the Islamic Stories on the Arabic origin: Albanians, Lazians, Abazgians and Circassians.


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Sorin Paliga about the origins of Albanians (2014):

One more detail, hopefully relevant: the Albanians are also the heirs of those Sclaveni of the 6th century, as proved by ethnonym shqipe 'Albanian, shqip (adj.), see a more detailed discussion in Paliga and Teodor 2009: 80-84. To add here the brief discussion in the etymological dictionary of Albanian by Vladimir Orel (1998). Other research in the field also proves what we wrote in Paliga and Teodor 2009, but also earlier: Alb. Shqipe, Shqiptar etc. also reflects a late, post-classical form sclavus, a variant *skljab being reconstructable for Albanian. Orel (1998: 434) assumes that shqipe would be a calque after the Slavic parallel slověne ‗Slavs as derived from slovo ‗word, in Albanian shqipoj ‗to speak clearly = to speak in our language Shqipe, Shqiptar. Thus put, the whole issue has no sense. It is not the first and last time when speakers of a given language associate ‗speaking in their own language with the idea ‗to speak clearly, i.e. ‗to speak in a language we can understand. That was the motivation of the parallel slověne slovo, also magyar ‗Hungarian magyarz(ni) ‗to speak clearly (= to speak in our langue), shqipe ‗Albanian shqipoj ‗to speak clearly etc. Therefore, the parallel shqipe shqipoj cannot be based on a calque, this is difficult to reconstruct at a popular level in those times or later; this is an internal, logical derivation based on the obvious and frequently attested reality ‗ours speak a language we can understand versus ‗the others, who speak a language we cannot understand = they are dumb (cf. Slavic něm- ‗dumb used for referring to the němьcь, lit. ‗the dumb ones) or speak with a stutter (cf. Greek barbaros, lit. ‗those who stutter) etc. Such extralinguistic realities make part of a correct interpretation of the facts, too.

The Albanians are, therefore, another ‗Sclavenic group, but we cannot be very far from reality of Thracian origin, most probably of Carpian origin, as I. I. Russu brilliantly suggested as early as 1982. Unfortunately, it was difficult to have a serious debate of his hypothesis in those days1 . They moved NEXT TO the Slavs proprie dictu, but not melting into their groups. This proves that the FIRST Slavic move occurred indeed from north to south following the courses of Siret and Prut rivers, then crossing the Danube. Perhaps the Proto-Albanians preceded the Slavic movement, this explaining why they settled in the remotest location, beyond the extremity of the southwest Slavs. They were also Sclaveni, post-classical colloquial form sclavi > Romanian șchiau, șchei, Albanian shqipe. For the Byzantines, they were Sclaveni, Sklavenoi, the new enemies coming from the north. We may be sure that, at the beginning at least, the Byzantines made no linguistic difference between the Proto-Albanians and the rest of the Sclaveni, they were all foreign enemies. disregarding the language they spoke.

In the preface of his work, Orel (1998: X) assumes that the Albanian homeland may be located in Dacia Ripensis, specifically the Beskydy, Polish Bieszczady mountains. The Proto‑ Albanians had, beyond any doubt, a more northern origin, and we cannot hesitate to assume a homeland beyond the Danube. It is yet impossible to accept the area suggested by Orel, as there is no archaeological proof or any other reasonable proof, of any kind, allowing to accept the Beskydy as the Proto-Albanian homeland. The obvious similarities between Romanian and Albanian, but also the differences, show that there must have been a vicinity, which must have been, precisely, the Moldavian plain and the East Carpathians, with intrusions in the Transylvanian plateau after the Roman withdrawal in 274. This location does indeed make sense, and is supported by all the documents regarding the ‗Carpian issue after the Roman conquest of Dacia in 105-106.

http://www.romanoslavica.ro/revista/...de%20toate.pdf

Paliga is a supporter of the northern Balkan (Balkan-Carpathian, Transdanubian) theory of the origin of Albanians. Contrary to Orel's hypotheses about the Beskids, but on the verge of his thoughts, Paliga sees the primordial area of the proto-Albanian language in the Moldavian plain, beyond the eastern Carpathians; they entered Erdely/Transylvania during the Roman withdrawal in 274 AD. Their origin is specifically related to the Carps.
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"1939 UK Foreign Office report on Albania is a fascinating document. It lists the prominent people, one of whom is Albanianised/assimilated "Kutzo-Vlach" (Aromanian) Dimitri Beratti..."
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1903 US FRONT PAGE STORY: "Albanian bands descended upon town of Okhrida [Ohrid] situated on east banks of lake of that name, captured it & proceeded to put to the sword all the Christians. There was a terrible slaughter, the people defending themselves as best they could"
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