General Makedonski of the Pandouri

[TrueMacedonian]

Here are some wiki excerpts from an article about an interesting figure:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandru_Macedonski

How sad it is that Macedonia lost many of her talented people not for the unprepared Macedonian Cause, but for the causes of other peoples. This is just one of many examples, and it is these such examples which allow people to create lies and write such rubbish about people of Macedonian origin. The Makedonski family were exactly as their namesake suggests - Macedonians.

Absolutely correct SoM. The war for independence in 1821 was not an exclusive war of "greeks" considering many people were of different ethnic origins. The war for independence was fought by many for the freedom of Christians under Ottoman rule. Makedonski was one of those Christians who fought against Ottoman rule for the betterment of his fellow Christians. Not because he was "greek" "serb" or "vlach".

[TrueMacedonian]

DrVosi said:

General Makedonski sure wasnt a Makedonski if that is what your trying to prove. Macedonian origin just means he came from Macedonia.
Any idea why he was hanging around guys like Diamantis and Kolokotronis??

I guess only Dr.ButtHead finds it odd for a Macedonian like Makedonski to be fighting alongside with another Macedonian and an Albanian and other swarms of ethnicities during his peoples war for independence

Any grk in here care to give us a little info on Diamantis? Please tell us a few things about him as well as give us his full name.

[rosetta]

Any grk in here care to give us a little info on Diamantis? Please tell us a few things about him as well as give us his full name.

Both Diamantis and Colocotronis mentioned in this book are lesser figures. Diamantis (I can't find his full name), eventually killed in Bistritsa, is NOT the famous Macedonian fighter Capetan Diamantis (Adamantios Nikolaou Olympios) who acted at the same time in Pieria and was very important.
Same, Colocotronis is Ioannis/Giannakis/Dimitrios Colocotronis, aka Daskoulias. Not to be confused with Theodoros Colocotronis, or his famous son Giannakis/Gennaios(=Brave) Colocotronis.

[TrueMacedonian]

Both Diamantis and Colocotronis mentioned in this book are lesser figures. Diamantis (I can't find his full name), eventually killed in Bistritsa, is NOT the famous Macedonian fighter Capetan Diamantis (Adamantios Nikolaou Olympios) who acted at the same time in Pieria and was very important.
Same, Colocotronis is Ioannis/Giannakis/Dimitrios Colocotronis, aka Daskoulias. Not to be confused with Theodoros Colocotronis, or his famous son Giannakis/Gennaios(=Brave) Colocotronis.

So what was Diamantis' (the lesser figures) full name?

Diamant is a Macedonian word that means Diamond.

Adamantios Nikolaou,,,, Diamant Nikolov???

[Soldier of Macedon]

Check this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandru_Macedonski

The poet's paternal family had arrived in Wallachia during the early 19th century. Of South Slav (Serb or Bulgarian)[1] or Aromanian[2][3] origin, they claimed to have descended from Serb insurgents in Ottoman-ruled Macedonia.[2] Alexandru's grandfather Dimitrie.......

The source for this assertion is cited as the Romanian writer Călinescu. Here is something else from another Romanian which was previously posted by TM:

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1610

In 1790 or in 1804, "Serb" always meant "peasant."

Man, state, and society in East European history, page 131, By Stephen A. Fischer-Galați

And the below relating to immigrants in Romania:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarians_in_Romania

The Bulgarians who migrated during the 19th century were known as sārbi (Serbians).[11][12] This word may have been used by Romanians to refer to all South Slavs,[13] but it has also been proposed that they used this ethnic identification to prevent the Ottomans from demanding the Wallachian authorities to return the refugees to their place of origin.[14] Even today, the Bulgarians from Wallachia are called "sārbi" (=Serbians) though they speak Bulgarian and define themselves as "bulgari" (=Bulgarians).[15]

[11]^ "Bulgarii din Sārbi, īn campanie agro-electorală" (in Romanian). Adevarul. 2008-05-26. http://www.adevarul.ro/articole/bulg...ctorala/352974. Retrieved 2008-08-13.
[12]^ "Bulgarii din Gauriciu" (in Romanian). Jurnalul Naţional. 2006-10-24. http://www.jurnalul.ro/articole/9444...i-din-gauriciu. Retrieved 2008-08-13.
[13]^ Нягулов, p. 56, note 47.
[14]^ Anton Manea Breştea, 150 de ani, monografie, Ed. Helicon, Timişoara, 1997; reprinted in Gāndul literar, Aprilie 2007
[15]^ http://www.bulgarii.ro/istoric.php

[rosetta]

So what was Diamantis' (the lesser figures) full name?
Diamant is a Macedonian word that means Diamond.
Adamantios Nikolaou,,,, Diamant Nikolov???

Nothing can I find about the "lesser" Diamantis, (full name, background) except of how he was killed in the Monastery of Bistritsa.


No, the names Adamantios and its' diminutive Diamantis are typical Greek names; they're not met specifically in Macedonia. The etymology of diamond is indeed Greek (adamas, gen. case: adamantos). It should be emphasized that these names are not Christian (while tolerated by Church) and are not related to the biblical Hebrew name Adam, which is also common in Greece.


If you read about Diamantis, Capetan Diamantis, Diamantis Nikolaou or Olympites, it would refer to the "major" Diamantis who never stepped his foot in Moldo-Wallachia.

His name was Adamantios Nikolaou Olympios (1790-1862), aka Captain Diamantis., a bandit from Pieria, son of large family of bandits.
His father was Nikolaos Olympios, aka Cateriniotis or Raedeniotis or Ryakiotis, from Raedeni/ Ryakia of Pieria.

Diamantis was a prestigious fighter of the Greek Revolution. Acted as a bandit in the mountains of Vermio, Olympus, Pieria before 1821 and participated in Cassandra revolt (1821), fought in the battles of Colindros, Castania and Mhelia (1822), Skiathos (1823).

He was appointed Commander in Chief for Euboia and Eastern Mainland Greece. The Turks put a price on his head, as “the greatest scum (miasma) among the Greeks”. He lost his position, due to the Civil conflicts. Diamantis was in the side of Prime Minister Ioannis Colettis and a main opponent of Nicolaos Crieziotes and Odysseus Androutsos who acted against him. After that, he withdrew in Skiathos and acted as a pirate in the area of Chalcidice and Pieria coast.

Later in 1827/8 he pursued a license to act in the area of Olympus and Pieria, but the Government of Capodistrias chose Tolias Lazos instead of him, as a leader of Thessalomacedonian corps.

In 1829 he lived in Skopelos. He represented Thessalomacedonians in the 4th National Assembly of Argos. Later on, he never really managed either to act against the Turks in Pieria, or be pardoned by them and be allowed to return in his homeland.

He lived in Achladi, Phthiotis.

In 1844, King Othon appointed him as a Senator.

[Pelister]

General Makedonski sure wasnt a Makedonski if that is what your trying to prove. Macedonian origin just means he came from Macedonia.
Any idea why he was hanging around guys like Diamantis and Kolokotronis??

Later on in section II it mentions a race of people from the Pierian plain?
Do you have any idea where Pieria is? Of course not.
It mentions that they were Macedonian Armatoles?? Do you have any idea what Armatoles means?? Probably not.
Even the Chinese guy who got a huge thread devoted to him called himself an Armatole. Thats your homework for tonight.
This is just another example of authors using the term Macedonian to describe the Greek speaking population of Macedonia.

- The best soldiers are a few Athenians, Acarnanians, Thessalians, Macedonians, Epirotes , Albanians, Bulgarians and Servians.

Surely in a sentence which includes Epirotes, Thessalians and Athenians you cant honestly think he is talking about Macedonians as you would like it. Luckily they are grouped in between the Athenians and Epirotes and not with the Bulgarians and Servians!! I beleive that was the logic you used in the other thread with the Rascians !!?!?

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Dr AV*

Macedonians fought in just about every major war in the region, including the 'Greek' War of Independence, which was really an Albanian uprising, under Western military command. Macedonians, it has been proven fought, in many battles in various countries not their own, including 'Greece'. A man who is a native of Macedonia, goes by the name of 'Makedonski' (and not some bullshit Greek translation of it), trained in Russia - could not have been a 'Greek'. Macedonian origin means he was an ethnic Macedonian, because contemporaries distinguished Macedonians, from Bulgarians, from Albanians, from 'Greeks' and others.