Uber-Patriots

[Boge]

Here we go. People are caught at all different places of development of their consciousness, ranging from indifferent, emerging ethnic consciousness, patriotic, and uber-patriotic. Both poles are kind of ultimately destructive.

The indifferent ones make you want to knock your head against a wall, in frustration at reaching them.

Whilst the other end are usually very good at hating and not being able to see individual difference.

I know that alot of Macedonians who are actually proud, prefer to remain quiet, in case they are associated with the extremists.

So as far as our community is concerned the ubers are actually a reason why many talented people are keeping their distance...I don't like seeing this, but, this what I have seen...it's present here in this forum. And has been perstent for a long time.

So let us do a Uber poll, who are the Ubers here on the MTO.

[Bill77]

Here we go. People are caught at all different places of development of their consciousness, ranging from indifferent, emerging ethnic consciousness, patriotic, and uber-patriotic. Both poles are kind of ultimately destructive.

The indifferent ones make you want to knock your head against a wall, in frustration at reaching them.

Whilst the other end are usually very good at hating and not being able to see individual difference.

I know that alot of Macedonians who are actually proud, prefer to remain quiet, in case they are associated with the extremists.

So as far as our community is concerned the ubers are actually a reason why many talented people are keeping their distance...I don't like seeing this, but, this what I have seen...it's present here in this forum. And has been perstent for a long time.

So let us do a Uber poll, who are the Ubers here on the MTO.

How would a person be Judged as a Uber. Its just a matter of opinion i supose. There is no real mesuring stick or a drawn line that seperates a Proud Patriotic from a Uber- Nationalist or extremist.

[osiris]

uber alles or just uber, because there is a difference.

[Prolet]

Osiris, Uber Alles means above all.

Maybe he is thinking about the Macedonians who think they are above everyone else?

[Vangelovski]

Here we go. People are caught at all different places of development of their consciousness, ranging from indifferent, emerging ethnic consciousness, patriotic, and uber-patriotic. Both poles are kind of ultimately destructive.

The indifferent ones make you want to knock your head against a wall, in frustration at reaching them.

Whilst the other end are usually very good at hating and not being able to see individual difference.

I know that alot of Macedonians who are actually proud, prefer to remain quiet, in case they are associated with the extremists.

So as far as our community is concerned the ubers are actually a reason why many talented people are keeping their distance...I don't like seeing this, but, this what I have seen...it's present here in this forum. And has been perstent for a long time.

So let us do a Uber poll, who are the Ubers here on the MTO.

Boge,

Are you actually going to contribute anything sensible? Perhaps you could start with your own definition of the Macedonian cause so we can determine what a "moderate" patriot like yourself should believe in and how they should undertake their activism. Please enlighten us.

[osiris]

yeah prolet you understood me well some people will always think their shit is better then other peoples, but its still shit no matter how uber it is.

vangelovski man really who gives a fuck, all this bullshit about a good patriot and a bad one usually comes from people who do nothing for the cause but complain and deride.

boge get your act together and focus your intelligence and creativity in helping the cause rather then fighting windmills.

[Risto the Great]

Here we go. People are caught at all different places of development of their consciousness, ranging from indifferent, emerging ethnic consciousness, patriotic, and uber-patriotic. Both poles are kind of ultimately destructive.

The indifferent ones make you want to knock your head against a wall, in frustration at reaching them.

Whilst the other end are usually very good at hating and not being able to see individual difference.

I know that alot of Macedonians who are actually proud, prefer to remain quiet, in case they are associated with the extremists.

So as far as our community is concerned the ubers are actually a reason why many talented people are keeping their distance...I don't like seeing this, but, this what I have seen...it's present here in this forum. And has been perstent for a long time.

So let us do a Uber poll, who are the Ubers here on the MTO.

Seriously, you are going to have to define the term before we can discuss it. Define an "uber patriot". Provide examples of Macedonian extremists.

As an example, I have been hearing little hints from sections of the Adelaide Macedonian communities that I am somehow doing the wrong thing on this forum. Perhaps I am being too "extremist" in my views. I can't be sure Boge, because I do not know what you mean by it. But if a belief in the Macedonian Cause is considered wrong ... then, quite frankly, I don't want to be right.

More Macedonians than I care to admit keep saying the name is non-negotiable. Then say it would be ok to modify it in order to gain membership of certain hallowed institutions. They are the ones who should bang their head due to their indifference and their shallow ethnic consciousness. One hundred years ago, they would have been the "Serbs" and "Greeks" in Macedonia. Their time is up.

Indifference is far more damaging to Macedonians than uber-patriotism.

Again, you are going to have to define terms Boge. If you don't, it will indicate you are simply at a basic level of awareness. Which means you have nothing to share with us. I hope this is not the case.

[Bratot]

I have no problem being viewed even as a uber super duper extremly patriotic person, nowadays it's even kinda flattering to say that ..for a Macedonian.

[Volk]

If anyone is extreme here, it is in words only

[Risto the Great]

Thank God for that Volk. I started to think maybe I was an extremist for wanting Macedonia to be called Macedonia.

[Vangelovski]

This appears to be UMD's answer to the "wingnuts" in Australia - the Gligorovist sympathisers (both UMD and non-UMD alike) have tried this many times over the years - yet they lack the intellectual, moral and patriotic capacity to back up what they actually mean by "extreme" (in this case the "uber patriots") and why their vassal politics and capitulation is a "better" option for the Macedonian people...or should I say, yet to be named people.

On another note, it appears that our suspicions about MP and his deliberate timing of the Rann affair to coincide with Meto's arrival may have been justified after all. Here's what the Wiz Kid has so say in an email recently sent to "fellow Macedonians in Australia and New Zealand":

Immediately upon my arrival, we set out to defend our Macedonian identity. No sleeping! A video began circulating on YouTube of the South Australian Premier Mike Rann slandering the Macedonian community and claiming that Macedonians are stealing the "history" of Greeks. Following comments, phone calls, and letters by the outraged Macedonian community in Adelaide and throughout Australia, every mainstream newspaper in Australia reported about the situation. We made sure everyone heard about it!

What a pathetic attempt to gain "street cred" in Australia by an organisation that still believes an "acceptable" name change exists and supports the two capitulations that will eventually destroy any idea of a free Macedonian republic - the Interim Accord and the Framework Agreement.

While we're on the topic of those two agreements, where exactly does "Boge" the "tough" from Port Kembla (according to ZAS) stand on these?

[Prolet]

If anyone is extreme here, it is in words only

Volk, Its not just with words there are extremists with tupajnci too, you'll be surprised how many people are prepared to punch on over such issues.

As an example, I have been hearing little hints from sections of the Adelaide Macedonian communities that I am somehow doing the wrong thing on this forum. Perhaps I am being too "extremist" in my views. I can't be sure Boge, because I do not know what you mean by it. But if a belief in the Macedonian Cause is considered wrong ... then, quite frankly, I don't want to be right.

Risto, You are not doing anything wrong and you are hardly an extremist you just want what is right nothing more. You dont have that hate about you that makes you an extremist, we've been putting up with racism for almost a centry so they cant exactly blame us here for it. If we look at the Greek and Bulgarian nationalist forums they are far worse at least we recognize them as a country and as people i cant say the same about they recognizing us.

[Mikail]

As an example, I have been hearing little hints from sections of the Adelaide Macedonian communities that I am somehow doing the wrong thing on this forum. Perhaps I am being too "extremist" in my views. I can't be sure Boge, because I do not know what you mean by it. But if a belief in the Macedonian Cause is considered wrong ... then, quite frankly, I don't want to be right.

What you're doing RTG is just fine! You, like me and many others are proud we are Macedonian.

Rogi was right to raise the former Titoists in boags other bullshit thread. No apologies to those who didn't like those comments but the truth is the truth.

If we are Macedonian then we are ALL Macedonian. No matter if you used to support Tito or not. The difference being non Tito supporters were always only Macedonian.

Look forward to meeting you all tonight.

[osiris]

This appears to be UMD's answer to the "wingnuts" in Australia - the Gligorovist sympathisers (both UMD and non-UMD alike) have tried this many times over the years - yet they lack the intellectual, moral and patriotic capacity to back up what they actually mean by "extreme" (in this case the "uber patriots") and why their vassal politics and capitulation is a "better" option for the Macedonian people...or should I say, yet to be named people.

On another note, it appears that our suspicions about MP and his deliberate timing of the Rann affair to coincide with Meto's arrival may have been justified after all. Here's what the Wiz Kid has so say in an email recently sent to "fellow Macedonians in Australia and New Zealand":
Quote:
Immediately upon my arrival, we set out to defend our Macedonian identity. No sleeping! A video began circulating on YouTube of the South Australian Premier Mike Rann slandering the Macedonian community and claiming that Macedonians are stealing the "history" of Greeks. Following comments, phone calls, and letters by the outraged Macedonian community in Adelaide and throughout Australia, every mainstream newspaper in Australia reported about the situation. We made sure everyone heard about it!

What a pathetic attempt to gain "street cred" in Australia by an organisation that still believes an "acceptable" name change exists and supports the two capitulations that will eventually destroy any idea of a free Macedonian republic - the Interim Accord and the Framework Agreement.

thats exactly why i think the umd is a self serving and ultimately irrelevant organization.

the above is not the first nor will it be the last time they try to take credit for everything and inflate their sense of importance.

meto you wanker you should be ashamed of yourself.

[Volk]

Volk, Its not just with words there are extremists with tupajnci too, you'll be surprised how many people are prepared to punch on over such issues.

If that's what an extremist is you have proven my point.