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Old 04-24-2017, 08:40 AM   #101
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I don't have a stance on that, different people in different EU countries have different experiences, so I guess it goes down to how EU rules/policies work, and I'm really not into legislation. In order to form an opinion about that, one must thoroughly study how the EU works instead of just relying on pro/anti EU movements propaganda.
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Don't they all? Germany can then blame the regime in power in WW2 for the atrocities, so can Japan for their war crimes in Asia and the Pacific during the Japanese Empire etc etc, there are numerous examples. It's the perfect excuse isn't it?
That can definitely be used as a convenient excuse in many cases. But it should be noted that the status of Vichy France during WWII was probably somewhere between Germany and the Independent State of Croatia. It wasn't a puppet state like Croatia, but it was a client state. And that was only in the southern part of France. The northern part was under direct Nazi occupation. So, while a significant portion of the French population bore some collective responsibility for what took place, one could perhaps argue that not all of France was to blame.
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Of course she doesn't, the event is too well recorded in history and there are many evidence it happened.
I suppose that may be one thing that separates her from her father, in that she didn't downplay the suffering endured by the Jews during WWII (at least in this instance).
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It could mean families of French citizens but it could also mean families of ethnic French. They could have specified that but didn't, which I assume was intentional because it creates a loophole for denouncing possible nationalistic accusations.
Or it could be that France 24 didn't cite the point accurately, for whatever reason. That is why it would've been handy to read the English translation of the original.
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No one obliges France to accept legal immigrants. I assume this was official French policy, but you have to agree that reducing this number from 200 000 to 10 000 is a very large decrease.
Temporarily lowering the immigration quota from time to time may mitigate the potential development of more 'ghettos'. It may also encourage newer migrants to adjust to the host culture and integrate into mainstream society more effectively. That said, this is a very large decrease, especially for a country with a population of 66 million. I'd have to assume that the economy, open borders, illegal immigration and demographic changes have been influential factors in that policy decision.
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By the way, do you support Le Pen and her policy?
I agree with her anti-EU stance, her pursuit of national sovereignty and her desire to preserve the traditional culture and character of her home country. I'm not so sure I agree with all of her motives, the way she wants to go about achieving her objectives or how far she wants to expand on them. Would I support her in these elections if I was French? I don't know enough specifics about her platform to determine if the positives outweigh the negatives (and there are a number of negatives, on that I agree). I don't know much about the guy she is running against either, other than that he seems like another EU lackey. Anyway, below is a link to her 144 point platform, but unfortunately it's in French.

https://www.marine2017.fr/wp-content...ine-le-pen.pdf
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Old 04-26-2017, 02:09 PM   #102
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I agree with her anti-EU stance, her pursuit of national sovereignty and her desire to preserve the traditional culture and character of her home country. I'm not so sure I agree with all of her motives, the way she wants to go about achieving her objectives or how far she wants to expand on them. Would I support her in these elections if I was French? I don't know enough specifics about her platform to determine if the positives outweigh the negatives (and there are a number of negatives, on that I agree). I don't know much about the guy she is running against either, other than that he seems like another EU lackey. Anyway, below is a link to her 144 point platform, but unfortunately it's in French.

https://www.marine2017.fr/wp-content...ine-le-pen.pdf
The National Front has some good points in its platform, her anti-EU stance, for example, is one of them, but the platform also engenders very grave concerns on civil liberties.

I still think she is the best candidate in the French race available, even with all the qualms I have with the party.
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Old 05-07-2017, 08:28 PM   #103
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Well, the "Centrist" (read Socialist) candidate with a wife old enough to be his mother, has just won the French elections.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...rances-macron/
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Emmanuel Macron walked solemnly into the courtyard of the Louvre museum to the strains of Beethoven’s ‘Ode to Joy’, the European Union anthem, amid rapturous cheering by tens of thousands of supporters. The symbolism was evident. Mr Macron favours EU reform but remains a fervent supporter of the bloc. The first foreign leader he spoke to after his victory was Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, in what was described as a "warm" phone call.
I guess in that moment of triumph the French anthem didn't quite cut it for this overtly pro-EU fellow. Anyway, if the below picture is any indication of the future, it suggests that people east of the Rhine will continue 'influencing' ole Gaul for some time to come.

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Old 05-07-2017, 09:02 PM   #104
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Well, the "Centrist" (read Socialist) candidate with a wife old enough to be his mother, has just won the French elections.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...rances-macron/

I guess in that moment of triumph the French anthem didn't quite cut it for this overtly pro-EU fellow. Anyway, if the below picture is any indication of the future, it suggests that people east of the Rhine will continue 'influencing' ole Gaul for some time to come.

His wife is what the rest of the west would call a paedophile and sent to prison. She was his 40 year old school teacher abusing her position of authority by having an affair with him at age 15.

He probably needs psychological help, not the leadership of the French state and the keys to its nuclear arsenal.
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His wife is what the rest of the west would call a paedophile and sent to prison. She was his 40 year old school teacher abusing her position of authority by having an affair with him at age 15.

He probably needs psychological help, not the leadership of the French state and the keys to its nuclear arsenal.
To say that it's both weird and concerning would probably be an understatement. But this is the guy who the majority of French citizens have voted in to be their leader. The same guy who loathes his own national identity so much, that he also said the following during his campaign:
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To say that it's both weird and concerning would probably be an understatement. But this is the guy who the majority of French citizens have voted in to be their leader. The same guy who loathes his own national identity so much, that he also said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.988b98d60f70
Western Europe reached hubris after the second world war. Unless something changes dramatically, they are on their way out.
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Its odd isn't it? I always viewed the French as a very prideful people, it's baffling that this is who a vast majority of France ended up picking.

I also agree that by certain standards his wife would be a pedophile, but this type of thing is always treated differently when the gender roles are reversed.

Also since RTG has yet to comment, I will fill in for him, Marcon's wife is a pretty hot granny!

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To say that it's both weird and concerning would probably be an understatement. But this is the guy who the majority of French citizens have voted in to be their leader. The same guy who loathes his own national identity so much, that he also said the following during his campaign:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.988b98d60f70
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Well, the "Centrist" (read Socialist) candidate with a wife old enough to be his mother, has just won the French elections.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...rances-macron/

I guess in that moment of triumph the French anthem didn't quite cut it for this overtly pro-EU fellow. Anyway, if the below picture is any indication of the future, it suggests that people east of the Rhine will continue 'influencing' ole Gaul for some time to come.

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Photoshop or not, that is probably an accurate reflection of what the relationship will be like going forward. Between Germany and its province of France I mean. Not between Macron and Merkel - she's a bit too young for him
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Also since RTG has yet to comment, I will fill in for him, Marcon's wife is a pretty hot granny!
I represent that accusation!
Actually, she isn't half bad for an old zhabarka.
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