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  • Pelister
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 2742

    #31
    Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
    Good point Pelister, and one I have repeatedly tried to extract from this guy and that other joker who slithers his way in and out of topics.

    What is a Greek? A Greek citizen of his own country, regardless of ethnic origins, would equate himself on equal par with a citizen of Serbia, Macedonia, Croatia and Slovakia. Fair enough. This is normal.

    However, an ethnic Serb would equate himself as a citizen of his own country on equal par with an ethnic Macedonian from Macedonia, or an ethnic Croatian from Croatia, or an ethnic Slovak from Slovakia, these are ethnicities, they have their own common languages, culture and history. Of course, the Roma (or gypsies) in the above countries are Serb, Macedonian, Croatian and Slovak citizens respectively, but they are different ethnicities, they have their own languages and native culture and history.

    Now answer this bre citizen of Xenophobia, HOW MANY ETHNIC GREEKS IN GREECE? Give us an estimate at least, 97%? 98%?

    TerraNova, show yourself as a person willing to engage in constructive dialogue and answer the question above.
    Isn't it interesting how on the one hand he can say that Greece does not collect data on ethnicity, so we can assume their is no official data on the ethnic Greek or any other ethnic group in Greece, and yet on the other hand, remind us that Greece is 98% Greek. What does he mean by that ?

    The notion of being "Greek" is being pushed further and further in more exotic territory.

    Its' a fkn freak show.

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    • TerraNova
      Banned
      • Nov 2008
      • 473

      #32
      Originally posted by Pelister View Post
      Isn't it interesting how on the one hand he can say that Greece does not collect data on ethnicity, so we can assume their is no official data on the ethnic Greek or any other ethnic group in Greece, and yet on the other hand, remind us that Greece is 98% Greek. What does he mean by that ?

      The notion of being "Greek" is being pushed further and further in more exotic territory.

      Its' a fkn freak show.
      Can you or any other...just GIVE EVIDENCE ABOUT THIS?

      Who the hell told "Greece is 98% Greek" ?

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      • Soldier of Macedon
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 13670

        #33
        The Greek state did you blind liar.
        In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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        • Soldier of Macedon
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 13670

          #34
          Now answer this bre citizen of Xenophobia, HOW MANY ETHNIC GREEKS IN GREECE? Give us an estimate at least, 97%? 98%?
          Answer the question.
          In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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          • Daskalot
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 4345

            #35
            Here is what the CIA World Factbook states on Greece:

            People Greece

            Population: 10,722,816 (July 2008 est.)
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            Nationality: noun: Greek(s)
            adjective: Greek

            Ethnic groups: population: Greek 93%, other (foreign citizens) 7% (2001 census)
            note: percents represent citizenship, since Greece does not collect data on ethnicity

            Religions: Greek Orthodox 98%, Muslim 1.3%, other 0.7%

            Languages: Greek 99% (official), other 1% (includes English and French)
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            I see that they have revised themselves, before they were 98.1% if I remember correctly.
            Macedonian Truth Organisation

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            • TerraNova
              Banned
              • Nov 2008
              • 473

              #36
              Originally posted by Daskalot View Post
              Here is what the CIA World Factbook states on Greece:

              People Greece

              Population: 10,722,816 (July 2008 est.)
              .
              .
              .
              Nationality: noun: Greek(s)
              adjective: Greek

              Ethnic groups: population: Greek 93%, other (foreign citizens) 7% (2001 census)
              note: percents represent citizenship, since Greece does not collect data on ethnicity

              Religions: Greek Orthodox 98%, Muslim 1.3%, other 0.7%

              Languages: Greek 99% (official), other 1% (includes English and French)
              .
              .
              .

              I see that they have revised themselves, before they were 98.1% if I remember correctly.

              ............

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              • slovenec zrinski
                Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 385

                #37
                Wasn´t there a law in 1982 that allowed for the return of refugees if they declared themselves "greek by genus"?

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                • Soldier of Macedon
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 13670

                  #38
                  Yes there was, not sure of the year though. I think it is cited in the Helsinki report from Aegean Macedonia, I will see if I can locate it unless somebody else does first.
                  In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                  • slovenec zrinski
                    Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 385

                    #39
                    Thanks SoM.
                    Well..if they have a law that stipulates a person to be greek by genus for being allowed to return then this state surely must think of the greeks in a racial, and not only religious, way...

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                    • Soldier of Macedon
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 13670

                      #40


                      In 1982 the Greek government enabled an Amnesty Law. Law 400/76 permitted the return and repatriation of the political refugees who had left Greece during the Greek Civil War. However, the ministerial decree stated that those free to return were “all Greeks by genus who during the Civil War of 1946-1949 and because of it have fled abroad as political refugees”. This excluded many people who were not “Greeks by genus” such as the ethnic Macedonians who had fled Greece following the Civil War. Those who identified as something other than “Greek by genus” were not included in the law and were unable to resume their citizenship or property.
                      In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                      • Soldier of Macedon
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 13670

                        #41
                        Zrinski, check below, it is a scanned page from the Helsinki Report in Aegean Macedonia with regard to the 'Greek by genus' law:

                        In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                        • slovenec zrinski
                          Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 385

                          #42
                          Thank you Exactly what I was looking for.
                          And then there are greeks that claim that Greece doesn´t speak in racial terms and only sees greeks as citizens, in a religious sense etc etc etc.

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                          • Demos
                            Banned
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 325

                            #43
                            Originally posted by slovenec zrinski View Post
                            Thank you Exactly what I was looking for.
                            And then there are greeks that claim that Greece doesn´t speak in racial terms and only sees greeks as citizens, in a religious sense etc etc etc.

                            In Greece when we say "Έλλην" we mean someone who is Greek in ethnological terms and someone who belongs to the Greek Orthodox Church. All others are usually not considered Greek at least by the common people.

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                            • Risto the Great
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 15658

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Demos View Post
                              In Greece when we say "Έλλην" we mean someone who is Greek in ethnological terms and someone who belongs to the Greek Orthodox Church. All others are usually not considered Greek at least by the common people.
                              So, given that the Church of Istanbul rules over the "New Territories" including the Macedonian provinces, then Macedonians cannot be Έλλην under your definition.
                              Risto the Great
                              MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                              "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                              Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                              • Demos
                                Banned
                                • Dec 2008
                                • 325

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
                                So, given that the Church of Istanbul rules over the "New Territories" including the Macedonian provinces, then Macedonians cannot be Έλλην under your definition.
                                If someone doesn't feel an allegiance towards the Hellenic Republic, prefers to speak in a different language other than Greek and has allegiance towards a foreign country, they probably would not be considered Greek in the ethnological sense by the common people.

                                In the political sense (ie citizen) they probably would be.

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