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Old 12-29-2009, 02:04 AM   #781
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The MPO has been Pro Bulgarian for 90 years why would they drop it all of the sudden?? Thats like asking the Pan Macedonian Network to drop its Greek stance its never going to happen.
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:11 AM   #782
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I think UMD needs to be really careful in its association with MPO, it has the potential to cause wider divisions in the community, many people are suspicious of MPO, whether those concerns are real or imagined it might not be a wise collaboration at this point of time, particularly in UMD's formative years.

At best it is a case of guilt by association, at worst it could result in undermining UMD policy, this wont happen overnight but it will fester in the long run...and if MPO are throwing a few bucks your way, the time will come to pay them back...
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:18 AM   #783
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I agree Phoenix

If Karakachanov and Dimitrov have it their way and im expecting they would because Bozidar Dimitrov is the Minister for their Diaspora which lawfully gives him the right to be there. If you speak to these people they openly declare themselves as Macedonians just like they do in the MPO however their intentions are something else.
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:32 AM   #784
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I agree Phoenix

If Karakachanov and Dimitrov have it their way and im expecting they would because Bozidar Dimitrov is the Minister for their Diaspora which lawfully gives him the right to be there. If you speak to these people they openly declare themselves as Macedonians just like they do in the MPO however their intentions are something else.
Its a very dangerous association Prolet...

UMD need to carefully weigh-up the pro's and con's of such a partnership...I've noticed that the Grand Poobah over at the other forum has previously walked the proverbial tightrope on this subject...lamenting the pro-bulgar tilt of MPO but praising their ability to bring the community together in the past...

For me its good politics by MPO, bring the people together first, indoctrinate later...its not rocket science...but 'beautifully' insidious in its application
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:39 AM   #785
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Question Umd

I still don't have answers to my specific questions, here they are again in case you missed them.
"Will you state categorically and unequivocally that the name/dispute/ negotiations must cease immediatley?
Will you state that Macedonia must commence proceedings for redress at UN level to remove the illegally imposed FYR?"
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:53 AM   #786
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I still don't have answers to my specific questions, here they are again in case you missed them.
"Will you state categorically and unequivocally that the name/dispute/ negotiations must cease immediatley?
Will you state that Macedonia must commence proceedings for redress at UN level to remove the illegally imposed FYR?"
Yes, I'd like to hear those questions answered as well...
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Old 12-29-2009, 03:23 AM   #787
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The Bulgarians to me are the most dangerous opponents because they are always plotting and pretending its how they've been behaving for centuries now, it is a dangerous game and if i where the UMD i'd keep my distance from the MPO. Sure they can be used to some extent with the name dispute however giving them total control in our political affairs is suicide, this is the same organization thats in coalition with the Radko movements in Macedonia, the same Organization who complained to the Macedonian Government about Spaska Mitreva its so obvious its not funny, the reason why Bishop Metodija gave them recognition is because they have control over alot Churches in North America and if anything where to spill overthere it would be much worse then the Church Chaos we have here in Australia.
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Old 12-29-2009, 03:57 AM   #788
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Again Pelister's BS. Where has UMD tried to silence many good Macedonians who believe they are descendants of the ancient Macedonians?
IMO, the following article clearly supports that summation:

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Од Обединетата македонска дијаспора велат дека најавената посета на Бакојани не е за изненадување. Очекуваат таа да присуствува на свечениот банкет што секоја година на крајот од март го организира американскиот претседател во чест на грчкиот ден на независноста. На прослава се покануваат по околу 250 највлијателни Грци во Америка. Македонците [OMDovcite] велат дека до тогаш имаат време да се подготват за лобирање, но порачуваат да се внимава со провокациите од македонска страна.

So, UMDovci consider Macedonia and Macedonians promoting and celebrating their ancient heritage as a PROVOCATION to HellAss. That is the message coming through and is no different to Frchkovski, Crvenkovski, and the rest of the anti-Macedonian clique in RoM.

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Како пример ја даваат антимакедонската резолуција која Грците се обидуваат да ја протнат во Конгресот од 94-тата година. Она што загрижува е што со текот на времето таа добива се поголем број на поддржувачи.
Повеќето конгресмени ја поддржаа таа резолуција поради тоа што се преименува аеродромот Александар Македонски.
This, IME, is a CLEAR anti-Macedonian slant - No Ifs, and No Buts! FYI, they did NOT rename the "Petrovec Airport" to "Aleksandar Makedonski/Alexander III of Macedon Airport"! It is was renamed "Aleksandar Veliki/Alexander the Great Airport" (a very internationalist name).

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Мислам, аргументите беа на страна на Грците и ги искористија многу добро,
So, Meto thinks HellAss had the "argumentite" (I guess facts) on her side? That is a strange position for a "representative" of the "Macedonian Diaspora" to take, wouldn't you say?

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така што треба малку и претпазливи да бидеме со такви потези. Нели имаше и пред Букурешт Премиерот постави цвеќе на гробот на Гоце Делчев и на тој гроб имало мапа на Голема Македонија. Тоа многу го искористија Грците во Америка и добија повеќе поддршка од сенаторите и конгресмените поради тоа , изјави Методија Колоски, претседател на Обединетата македонска дијаспора.
How spineless and shameful to so misrepresent the true feelings of the Macedonians and Macedonian Diaspora in particular! The real feelings of the Macedonian Diaspora are espoused by the words of the very popular patriotic song "Edna misla imame" - Makedonija cela da e, Секој да ја знае.....Чеда сме на Александар, Гордост македонска! Since when has it become a criminal offence for Macedonians to display a map of their ethno-historic Fatherland, their whole native homeland?

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Тврдењата дека Македонија спроведува националистичка пропаганда со територијални претензии кон Грција, Бакојани минатата година пред сите членови на Комисијата за надворешна политика на Сенатот го аргументирала со фотографијата со Премиерот пред картата на голема Македонија.

http://kanal5.com.mk/ShowNews.aspx?I...d=1&tabindex=0
IMO, if you are unable to stand up to cheap Greek propaganda, you should seriously consider resigning. You appear to be working against Macedonian national interests and not for them.
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Old 12-29-2009, 04:27 AM   #789
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SoM, my comment was to Pelister and was specifically about his misrepresented quote (which I quoted above) and that quote is not part of the ZMR interview.

Your comment, about the ZMR interview with Meto Koloski is separate to the specific above quote, and it's not for me to answer for others on that particular point.
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Old 12-29-2009, 07:29 AM   #790
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Any Macedonians on this forum born in Greece who do not have their Greek citizenship? If so, we encourage you to apply and see what the Greek government response will be. If they refuse, then a lawsuit should be brought against the Greek government.
UMD what if your parents & grandparents are born in Greece but you're not, do you have any chance of going the same path?
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