United Macedonia Diaspora

[George S.]

So vicsinan how can you claim you're not anti macedonian yet you advocate special priveleges for the albanians.You are pro albanian that on it's own makes you anti macedonian.What makes you sure a minority like albanians who are not native to the land ,macedonians are ethnic to their land desrve more rights & priveleges.In my opinion the only rights in a democracy that a minority should get is whatever is bestowed on ordinary citizens nothing more nothing less what could be better than that.
But in your case you advocate open slather priveleges specials on voting rights,etc etc.So don't be suprised that you are not for the cause or that we called you anti. Macedonian.

[George S.]

Tom's statement to you"The Badinter Principle was designed SOLEY and SPECIFICALLY to protect the "other elements", or special privileges, given to the Albanians under the Framework Agreement. It serves no other purpose. How is it that you can support it and then claim not to support the special privileges it was designed to protect?"
Your response to that was you are not sure you like the badinter principle as amechanism & you don't like all the priveleges & rights that it confers on trhe albanians.Also you don't like the FA but beleive in the good mechanism it provides.So you are ignorant of what both attempt to do is errode macedonian soveregnity & hand it to the albanians.Also when asked about specific issues you don't think the priveleges the albanians are getting aren't that bad.Well short of secession or just giving slices of land away what more can be done to please the albanians.Seeing you favor the albanian cause what else could ROM do appease the albanians.?

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by vicsinad

To your first point, I addressed Badinter in theory and the implementation of Badinter in actuality.

To your second point, I've already explained my views on that.

Just give us some links to where you feel you have adequately done this.

[vicsinad]

Originally Posted by Risto the Great

Just give us some links to where you feel you have adequately done this.

Whether my responses were adequate for you or not, or whether they were satisfactory or not, they are there, especially with regards to what I stated and why I stated it, even though they are not related to the assumptions and misinterpretations some of you have made.

[vicsinad]

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

No Victor, you have done no such thing. No amount of worming will get you out of this one. Either post a link to where you think you've addressed these points or address them here again.

See my response to Risto.

[George S.]

Vicsinan After all your views on the albanians giving them their so called rights & priveleges.Haven't you thought that it comes at the expense of the macedonians.Macedonians suffer in the loss of their real soveregnity.
Think about it you have basically stated you are for more albanian rights.Hasn't it dawn on you that MOST if not all of those rights were actually allready given to the albanians.What because of the FA & badinter principle lets give away our fatherland.Where is the sense in that anything to appease a minority is done here open slather.Is the albanian govt giving rights & priveledges to macedonians in mala prespa.I don't think so.So why has macedonia chosen to give pre- emminence to a minority way above all requirements.
Macedonia should only give to the albanians what the albanians are giving in albania to macedonians.Give me a one good reason why macedonia should follow any agreement or principle just to pander to the albanians.Think about how ridiculous it is in macedonia albanians teaching about grerater albania,the terrorists of 2001 are heroes & are taught,The albanians have gotten to the stage they don't want to learn any Macedonian.These are your buddies that you support.Rather than them learning macedonian we have to learn to speak albanian isn't that just great.I have to personally thank you for that achievement.So back to your Badinter principle you are either for it.You can't pick & choose & the FA the same thing macedonia because of people like you who readily accept what their politicians are doing & gives them the power to sell macedonia out.This is nothing but despicable & outright treachery.Imagine for one moment that there isn't going to be a macedonia left because of your anti macedonia stance.

[Makedonska_Kafana]

vicsinad, you stated that you have no connection whatsoever to the UMD yet you have fully supported their short comings (on-going) and anti Macedonian actions relating to human rights. They, could use someone like you in Washington DC.

Have you ever attended anything organized by the UMD or Macedonia2025? If, no why not?

[George S.]

MK that's why he asked so many questions of Tom because he must be a member.Yeah i never heard so much bs he will be really good in washington dc/ac.If he isn't then vicsian is umd's man.Just think if he's lucky he might be awarded the umd medal...of.Services to macedonia.But he might have to ditch the badinter principle.
If he hasn't then he is too busy spying on the MTO for Meto.

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by vicsinad

Whether my responses were adequate for you or not, or whether they were satisfactory or not, they are there, especially with regards to what I stated and why I stated it, even though they are not related to the assumptions and misinterpretations some of you have made.

Oh, I have found your responses. They were located immediately after my confirmation of flying pigs in Macedonia.

Why don't you point them out sunshine? Don't even worry whether are adequate. Perhaps just explain why the FA is bad and the Badinter is good again.

[vicsinad]

Originally Posted by Risto the Great

Oh, I have found your responses. They were located immediately after my confirmation of flying pigs in Macedonia.

Why don't you point them out sunshine? Don't even worry whether are adequate. Perhaps just explain why the FA is bad and the Badinter is good again.

This coming from someone too incompetent to read or comprehend someone's post...as you have already proved on this thread.

Or perhaps you have selective reading disorder?