United Macedonia Diaspora - Page 591

Droog · 05-20-2011, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Risto the Great

There it is.
DPMNE regretted not being able to change Macedonia to Macedonia (Skopke).

How did you draw that conclusion from that quote? He isn't even implying such a thing.

George S. · 05-20-2011, 05:03 AM

The name change is all part of the overall plan to just give in and capitulate & that will pay off in some way.I't must be said it's deliberate & they can't runaway like kids that they diddn't know.They never intended to ask the public or to inform them of what they are doing.Has gruevski made it his platform in the coming elections to negotiate the name.?Probably not.Isn'it funny How gruevski can do what he want's in respect of the name & then hit them with an explanation that they had to so that they can enter nato & eu.

Vangelovski · 05-20-2011, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Droog

How did you draw that conclusion from that quote? He isn't even implying such a thing.

Read the quote again. If you fail to understand it the second time, enrol into an English class.

Droog · 05-20-2011, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Vangelovski

Read the quote again. If you fail to understand it the second time, enrol into an English class.

In the course of those negotiations, the Republic of Macedonia accepted a number of proposals put forward by Mr. Nimetz as a basis for a solution, including the proposal of March 2008 of “Republic of Macedonia (Skopje)”, which the Hellenic Republic regrettably rejected.

It doesn't really mean that this is their ultimate stance but that during the talks they were willing to compromise

Vangelovski · 05-20-2011, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Droog

In the course of those negotiations, the Republic of Macedonia accepted a number of proposals put forward by Mr. Nimetz as a basis for a solution, including the proposal of March 2008 of “Republic of Macedonia (Skopje)”, which the Hellenic Republic regrettably rejected.

It doesn't really mean that this is their ultimate stance but that during the talks they were willing to compromise

I think its time for English language classes.

Now your making an irrelevant statement. Read the quote again. Read what RTG said in relation to the quote (he even highlighted the relevant parts of Milososki's letter to which he was referring).

vicsinad · 05-20-2011, 09:14 AM

Well, the current case in ICJ is only going to rule on whether Greece violated the 1995 Interim Accord. Although it is ridiculous that we have to be here in the first place (and just as ridiculous at the "bending over" we're doing just to get into NATO and the EU), I don't think it deconstructs our national sovereignty. I think a victory at the ICJ will actually take away the credibility other countries are allowed to formally give to Greece. Although, since it's not a binding decision, and only a UN Security Council vote can enforce the decision, it won't have any significant impact. It's an unfair world, and even though I'm not an advocate of NATO or the EU, if that's the path Macedonia wants to go down, then using the court system in such a manner isn't necessarily a bad idea.

That said, I agree the neither the UN nor ICJ should decide Macedonia's name for Macedonia.

George S. · 05-20-2011, 10:17 AM

Yes vicsinad the rom govt should ask itself what is it trying to achieve in the courtcase ,it's not a be all end all.Even then they may even get a reversal view if not a completly different decision.

Makedonska_Kafana · 05-20-2011, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by vicsinad

neither the UN nor ICJ should decide Macedonia's name for Macedonia.

This, is the only acceptable response and the wish of the World Macedonian Diaspora. NO ONE

Makedonska_Kafana · 05-20-2011, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Makedonska_Kafana

Can, someone please update us on the MHRMI/AMHRC and United Macedonians of Canada enquiries last night? Page 317 post #3163

Why, can't we get a reply on this yet? My, rules apply to all not just one Macedonian organization.

- Secondly, who is TJHosting and what are their links to MHRMI?
- And neither is the "United Macedonians" org of Canada averse in doing the same as can be seen in the favicon used when accessing their website http://www.unitedmacedonians.org/ (click on the link and see what favicon icon is flapping in the address bar).*

NOTE

I, asked the president of the United Macedonians of Canada "how can you be united using that favicon"? I, can't blame him (Mendo) but their webmaster (?) on that major error. I. also know about TJHosting but will wait to see the official response because they (TJ) have a local Macedonian media connection - active UMD member and supporter.

See, with me it's a bit (understatement) different because when things get in my way or try to slow me down rather then go around them (issues) I go right through them full speed.

MHRMI · 05-20-2011, 03:08 PM

Again, this is a Sitel report on the Our Name is Macedonia campaign.

http://www.sitel.com.mk/dnevnik/make...-vo-avstralija

TJ Hosting maintains our website. They uploaded this clip and obviously did not "selectively edit" it to show the ventilator.

www.mhrmi.org/news/2011/march05_e.asp

Macedonian Human Rights Movement International (MHRMI) and the Australian Macedonian Human Rights Committee (AMHRC) initiated the Our Name is Macedonia campaign in July 2010, which demands that Macedonia end all negotiations with Greece over its name. The campaign includes billboards throughout Macedonia, ads in print and online editions of major newspapers, television commercials, press conferences, radio interviews and the distribution of hundreds of thousands of flyers throughout the country.

• Our organizations have consistently denounced the name negotiations and condemned SDSM for agreeing to the "temporary reference" of "FYROM" and subsequently changing the flag.
• We condemn SDSM and their media for scare-mongering and claiming that Macedonia must change its name to enter the EU and NATO, or risk collapse.
• We demand that VMRO fulfill its promise that it will never change Macedonia's name by immediately ending the name negotiations.
• Furthermore, we demand that Macedonia revert to the original flag and immediately end the acceptance of "FYROM" or "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia". • Finally, MHRMI and AMHRC call on every Macedonian organization and individual to sign on to the Our Name is Macedonia campaign.

www.mhrmi.org/our_name_is_macedonia

Silence is not an option. Our Name is Macedonia.

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05-20-2011, 05:03 AM	#5902
George S. Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 10,116	The name change is all part of the overall plan to just give in and capitulate & that will pay off in some way.I't must be said it's deliberate & they can't runaway like kids that they diddn't know.They never intended to ask the public or to inform them of what they are doing.Has gruevski made it his platform in the coming elections to negotiate the name.?Probably not.Isn'it funny How gruevski can do what he want's in respect of the name & then hit them with an explanation that they had to so that they can enter nato & eu.

05-20-2011, 09:14 AM	#5906
vicsinad Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 2,337	Well, the current case in ICJ is only going to rule on whether Greece violated the 1995 Interim Accord. Although it is ridiculous that we have to be here in the first place (and just as ridiculous at the "bending over" we're doing just to get into NATO and the EU), I don't think it deconstructs our national sovereignty. I think a victory at the ICJ will actually take away the credibility other countries are allowed to formally give to Greece. Although, since it's not a binding decision, and only a UN Security Council vote can enforce the decision, it won't have any significant impact. It's an unfair world, and even though I'm not an advocate of NATO or the EU, if that's the path Macedonia wants to go down, then using the court system in such a manner isn't necessarily a bad idea. That said, I agree the neither the UN nor ICJ should decide Macedonia's name for Macedonia.

05-20-2011, 10:17 AM	#5907
George S. Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 10,116	Yes vicsinad the rom govt should ask itself what is it trying to achieve in the courtcase ,it's not a be all end all.Even then they may even get a reversal view if not a completly different decision.

05-20-2011, 03:08 PM	#5910
MHRMI Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 132	Again, this is a Sitel report on the Our Name is Macedonia campaign. http://www.sitel.com.mk/dnevnik/make...-vo-avstralija TJ Hosting maintains our website. They uploaded this clip and obviously did not "selectively edit" it to show the ventilator. www.mhrmi.org/news/2011/march05_e.asp Macedonian Human Rights Movement International (MHRMI) and the Australian Macedonian Human Rights Committee (AMHRC) initiated the Our Name is Macedonia campaign in July 2010, which demands that Macedonia end all negotiations with Greece over its name. The campaign includes billboards throughout Macedonia, ads in print and online editions of major newspapers, television commercials, press conferences, radio interviews and the distribution of hundreds of thousands of flyers throughout the country. • Our organizations have consistently denounced the name negotiations and condemned SDSM for agreeing to the "temporary reference" of "FYROM" and subsequently changing the flag. • We condemn SDSM and their media for scare-mongering and claiming that Macedonia must change its name to enter the EU and NATO, or risk collapse. • We demand that VMRO fulfill its promise that it will never change Macedonia's name by immediately ending the name negotiations. • Furthermore, we demand that Macedonia revert to the original flag and immediately end the acceptance of "FYROM" or "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia". • Finally, MHRMI and AMHRC call on every Macedonian organization and individual to sign on to the Our Name is Macedonia campaign. www.mhrmi.org/our_name_is_macedonia Silence is not an option. Our Name is Macedonia.

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