United Macedonia Diaspora

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by Makedonska_Kafana

Just for anyone not sure about the MTO and the UMD this is the difference ..

Thanks MK, appreciate the words.
But I disagree with your point about Australia. I think Macedonia is the key and the Macedonians in Macedonia need to understand how empowered they can be about themselves.

The rest of your points hopefully extend beyond the MTO. There are many Macedonian patriots who have not had the chance to explore the logical consequences of their ideologies. Coming here helps them establish a mental flowchart of these consequences. The MTO is useful for this. The next step is to do more than simply attack those who stray from the Macedonian Cause (we will always keep doing that btw) but more will be revealed shortly about this.

[Makedonska_Kafana]

RTG

Maybe we see it differently; however, because millions of Macedonians live outside of the Republic of Macedonia it's very important that we lead by example and be forceful. If we're to compromise our positions it makes their choice very simple. Macedonia is important but more work needs to be done for the Macedonians in Diaspora countries. NO GOVERNMENT HOLDS US BACK

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by Makedonska_Kafana

RTG

Maybe we see it differently; however, because millions of Macedonians live outside of the Republic of Macedonia it's very important that we lead by example and be forceful. If we're to compromise our positions it makes their choice very simple. Macedonia is important but more work needs to be done for the Macedonians in Diaspora countries. NO GOVERNMENT HOLDS US BACK

Yes you are right.
But ultimately it will be the Macedonians in Macedonia who break the chains that hold them back. We can give them the tools, they have to have the desire, knowledge and confidence.

[Makedonska_Kafana]

Originally Posted by Risto the Great

Yes you are right.
But ultimately it will be the Macedonians in Macedonia who break the chains that hold them back. We can give them the tools, they have to have the desire, knowledge and confidence.

Exactly, I think much of the lack of trust in the UN, NATO and EU we see in Macedonia today started outside of the Republic and our message is getting heard and read daily. We make their choices much easier - post the real facts. UMD, confuses the hell out of everyone including themselves. Not acceptable, maybe acceptable, sometimes acceptable ..

[indigen]

Originally Posted by Makedonska_Kafana

RTG

Maybe we see it differently; however, because millions of Macedonians live outside of the Republic of Macedonia it's very important that we lead by example and be forceful. If we're to compromise our positions it makes their choice very simple. Macedonia is important but more work needs to be done for the Macedonians in Diaspora countries. NO GOVERNMENT HOLDS US BACK

MK, I don't think there are millions of Macedonians outside the native lands and surround neighbouring areas. Certainly there are no more than approx 100,000, at best, in Australia that can be considered as a possible base population to draw upon. I am aware you said "outside Republic of Macedonia" but I am saying this so that some people don't get the idea that we have a huge Diaspora population in places like Australia, which is supposedly the biggest of the overseas ones.

Secondly, I think every government in the Macedonian Peninsula (Balkans) holds (and has been holding) us back for more than a century and the post-1990s ones in Macedonia have been no exception. In fact the VASSAL Governments in Macedonia have been very, very active in spreading their divisive and demoralising tentacles widely and effectively in many and varied ways. MPC-OA and UMD, amongst others, are ways in which they use to control and/or divide us so as to render us politically impotent in opposing their anti-Macedonian agendas.

[Makedonska_Kafana]

It's very important everyone go read Maknews latest blind support for the UMD regardless if they lie or mislead Macedonians on the Name Issue. They're not to be trusted and that is a conflict of interest going on - money was paid and now favors in return

That kind of support is tainted and most will pick up on it.

MakSoros.Com

[Makedonska_Kafana]

YouTube - carpenters -We've Only Just Begun

[Makedonska_Kafana]

Originally Posted by Makedonska_Kafana

YouTube - carpenters -We've Only Just Begun

Originally Posted by UMDiaspora.org

This is absolutely false and completely taken out of context. No further comment.

Are you sure?

[Vangelovski]

According to the stats posted above, Greece is UMD's primary visitor base. It seems it appeals to Greeks more than it does to Macedonians. UMD's policies have are following through to their logical conclusion.

[Makedonska_Kafana]

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

According to the stats posted above, Greece is UMD's primary visitor base.

Then, their message is not getting out to the people that they claim help them .. USA, Australia, Canada and Germany.

MTO - Australia
MAKNEWS - Greece

Both above make sense, NOT the UMD website or organization