United Macedonia Diaspora - Page 459

Buktop · 09-22-2010, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Vangelovski

If you're not on here to shape opinion and other peoples views, what on earth are you doing?

I am freely expressing my opinion and trying to generate thought and intelligent discussion.

Are you on here merely to shape opinion and views? Is that the only purpose of participating in forums?

Vangelovski · 09-22-2010, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Buktop

I am freely expressing my opinion and trying to generate thought and intelligent discussion.

Are you on here merely to shape opinion and views? Is that the only purpose of participating in forums?

Why are you expressing your opinion? What purpose does it serve (other than white noise) if not to shape the views of others?

Buktop · 09-22-2010, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Vangelovski

UMD distributed a Press Release claiming it no longer supported name negotiations on 6 June 2010:

http://umdiaspora.org/content/view/488/1/

The ramifications of Macedonia ending the negotiations, of course, include giving up on EU membership. UMD's supposed opposition to negotiations (and the logical distancing from their goal of EU membership that could have followed) appears to have promted Buktop to 'jump the gun'.

On 5 July 2010, nearly a month to the day, Buktop made this announcement:

A post made a month after a press release is considered a response to it? You really are desperate if you are trying to connect my post and that press release.

Like I said, this is the reason I changed my mind,
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/04/bu...bal/04ecb.html

along with news like this
http://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/greece-finance.5go

As well as the overall submission of the smaller states in the EU to this bailout, with the exception of the Slovaks. It was against EU, and EMU laws and regulations, and the actions perpetrated by France, Germany, and the UK in relation to this situation have proven to me, beyond a doubt, that the organization is too young, too naive, and too disorganized.

Vangelovski · 09-22-2010, 05:02 AM

Buktop,

You were still supporting EU membership long after that information was available. You pre-empted what you thought was going to be a UMD U-turn and they failed to deliver.

Buktop · 09-22-2010, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Vangelovski

Buktop,

You were still supporting EU membership long after that information was available. You pre-empted what you thought was going to be a UMD U-turn and they failed to deliver.

Really? So now you are capable of reading my mind? This is not the first time you have put forth outrageous conspiracy theories.

My opinion was solidified with the overwhelming force used by the EU elite after the bailout was fully cemented. I still do not support EU membership for Macedonia (not yet at least). Does that coincide with UMD or Government policy?

Vangelovski · 09-22-2010, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Buktop

I still do not support EU membership for Macedonia (not yet at least). Does that coincide with UMD or Government policy?

We'll see how long this lasts.

Makedonska_Kafana · 09-23-2010, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Buktop

I still do not support EU membership for Macedonia (not yet at least). Does that coincide with UMD or Government policy?

I might be wrong; however, I believe that you posted that before and not because the EU is very bad rather the country is not ready? If joining under any other name other then "Republic of Macedonia" would you support membership?

UMDiaspora.org · 09-24-2010, 11:52 AM

On September 15, 2010, UMD International Policy and Diplomacy Fellow Edita Sateikaite attended a U.S. Helsinki Commission Congressional hearing on Minority Political Participation in the Obama Era where the UN Independent Expert on Minority Issues Gay McDougall was a witness. Ms. Sateikaite asked Ms. McDougall about her trip to Greece in September 2008 and her findings regarding minority rights in Greece.

Click here: YouTube - briefing minorities

Fast forward to 55:05 - 58:31

Vangelovski · 09-24-2010, 06:01 PM

Doesn't UMD advertising belong in your special thread Meto?

Buktop · 09-25-2010, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Makedonska_Kafana

I might be wrong; however, I believe that you posted that before and not because the EU is very bad rather the country is not ready? If joining under any other name other then "Republic of Macedonia" would you support membership?

You are correct, and hell no I do not support joining under any other name than Republic of Macedonia.

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09-22-2010, 05:02 AM	#4584
Vangelovski Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,521	Buktop, You were still supporting EU membership long after that information was available. You pre-empted what you thought was going to be a UMD U-turn and they failed to deliver. __________________ If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14 The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

09-24-2010, 11:52 AM	#4588
UMDiaspora.org Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: United States, Australia, Canada Posts: 525	UMD Questions UN Independent Expert on Minority Issues On September 15, 2010, UMD International Policy and Diplomacy Fellow Edita Sateikaite attended a U.S. Helsinki Commission Congressional hearing on Minority Political Participation in the Obama Era where the UN Independent Expert on Minority Issues Gay McDougall was a witness. Ms. Sateikaite asked Ms. McDougall about her trip to Greece in September 2008 and her findings regarding minority rights in Greece. Click here: YouTube - briefing minorities Fast forward to 55:05 - 58:31 __________________ For comments, questions, concerns, please contact us at: United Macedonian Diaspora http://www.umdiaspora.org 1101 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, 6th Floor, Washington, D.C. 20004, United States Phone: (202) 756-2244, Fax: (202) 756-7323, E-mail: [email protected] PO Box 2153, Hawthorn, Vic. 3122, Australia Phone: 0438 385 466, E-mail: [email protected] 3555 St. Clair Avenue East, Toronto, ON, M1K 1L6, Canada Phone: 416-209-0448, E-mail: [email protected] Last edited by UMDiaspora.org; 09-24-2010 at 12:03 PM.

09-24-2010, 06:01 PM	#4589
Vangelovski Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,521	Doesn't UMD advertising belong in your special thread Meto? __________________ If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14 The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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