United Macedonia Diaspora

[Buktop]

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

I'm infatuated with natural rights and oppose those who violate them. UMD just happens to be one of those organisatons that negates our natural rights. You on the other hand seem to be infatuated with defending UMD specifically regardless of whether you agree with their position.

When SoM asked me a question about why I changed my stance on EU, you felt compelled to relate it to a UMD press release, may I ask why you made that assertion? On what grounds or evidence did you base that assumption? and What makes you more qualified to answer a question posed to me, than myself?

You see, it's your conduct in this regard that gives you the appearance of a clown. If you don't have anything of value to say, I suggest you refrain from commenting, especially because you always seem to manage to dilute threads of importance with your personal insults.

[Buktop]

Originally Posted by Pelister

Haha.

Watching your irrational quirks has been amusing. There is something very wrong with you - that much is clear. Most people can see that Macedonians are getting raped by Europe and by the West, but why would you want to see that continue? Its like your literally 'open' for business.

The fact is UMD has been historically compromised, and so has Meto Koloski with his name changes among other things...etc.

Sooner or later UMD are going to realise that you havn't done them any favors here.

Pelister, when you learn to actually engage in conversation please feel free to join in, it would prove more useful than your useless parroting and your repetition. Out of your nearly 2000 posts, maybe a handful have been about something other than UMD, EU, and Rape.

We get the picture, now start delving deeper into the situation rather than professing some greater than thou, superficial understanding of the problem.

[Buktop]

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

You see SoM,

Buktop does not want to change your mind, he just wants to align your views with his. Now, if he was going to change his own mind, he would have done that already and would not expend so much time and engery debating with you. That leaves one option - you'll have to change your mind (though this is not Buktop's intention - just a natural course of action in order to align both of your views when the other refuses to change his).

Can you tell me what a mutual understanding is? Or are you just demonstrating your deficiencies with the English language again?

[Buktop]

Originally Posted by Pelister

Buktop, your too wrapped up in your own drivel to see that you are actually doing UMD alot of damage, because if your the kind of 'mind' that UMD attracts to its agenda it actually says everything about the UMD organisation.

Our political extinction is in real time political play, and your going to sugar coat it and blow sunshine up our arses (while praising UMD for doing the same), by saying that we have nothing to be concerned about? Or worse, that there is a magical 'plan' somewhere in the ether waiting to materialise?

Who can honestly forget your claims to know what the Macedonian politicians are thinking and planning? Or, is this a different Buktop? Same name, different person?

If I am doing so much damage to UMD, then why are you trying to stop me? I would be your best friend, wouldn't I?

What claims? I never claimed to have an intimate knowledge of the workings of the Macedonian government. I said all evidence indicates that I am correct in my assertions.

I dare you to quote for me where I said that I know what the government is thinking or planning.

This is not the first time you have lied to try and slander someone you disagree with, and you need to stop. Your lies and accusations, along with your rants and parroting are not the conduct of a decent or intelligent person.

So either back up your claims with evidence or stop being such a child.

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by Buktop

Can you tell me what a mutual understanding is? Or are you just demonstrating your deficiencies with the English language again?

Haha,

"a mutual understanding of our positions" can easily mean what I took it to - though UMDovci have always been vague with what they are trying to convey in order to be able to back-flip at a later time.

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by Buktop

When SoM asked me a question about why I changed my stance on EU, you felt compelled to relate it to a UMD press release, may I ask why you made that assertion? On what grounds or evidence did you base that assumption? and What makes you more qualified to answer a question posed to me, than myself?

You see, it's your conduct in this regard that gives you the appearance of a clown. If you don't have anything of value to say, I suggest you refrain from commenting, especially because you always seem to manage to dilute threads of importance with your personal insults.

If memory serves correct, your change of attitude towards the EU came after a certain press release was distributed by UMD.

But you're right, I am not qualified to determine what goes on in your head, though I can certainly point out the obvious, in particular, your defence of UMD even when you claim not to agree with their position.

[Buktop]

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

Haha,

"a mutual understanding of our positions" can easily mean what I took it to - though UMDovci have always been vague with what they are trying to convey in order to be able to back-flip at a later time.

Really? So a "mutual understanding of our positions" means that I secretly am trying to force SoM to change his position?

I don't know whether to laugh at you, or feel sorry for you.

[Buktop]

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

If memory serves correct, your change of attitude towards the EU came after a certain press release was distributed by UMD.

But you're right, I am not qualified to determine what goes on in your head, though I can certainly point out the obvious, in particular, your defence of UMD even when you claim not to agree with their position.

Really? Would you care to locate that UMD press release?

The question was about the EU, not UMD. And while I may support an organization, I never have and never will support every action made by any organization. And that should be something that everyone understands.

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by Buktop

Really? So a "mutual understanding of our positions" means that I secretly am trying to force SoM to change his position?

I don't know whether to laugh at you, or feel sorry for you.

If you're not on here to shape opinion and other peoples views, what on earth are you doing?

[Vangelovski]

UMD distributed a Press Release claiming it no longer supported name negotiations on 6 June 2010:

http://umdiaspora.org/content/view/488/1/

The ramifications of Macedonia ending the negotiations, of course, include giving up on EU membership. UMD's supposed opposition to negotiations (and the logical distancing from their goal of EU membership that could have followed) appears to have promted Buktop to 'jump the gun'.

On 5 July 2010, nearly a month to the day, Buktop made this announcement:

Originally Posted by Buktop

I have recently departed from my belief that the EU, currently, could be beneficial for Macedonia...