United Macedonia Diaspora

[indigen]

Originally Posted by Risto the Great

Don't bother looking.
Now just list the single most harmful thing the USA has done AGAINST Macedonia. This flows on from my Buktopianasm .... weigh up the harmful thing against what USA has done for Macedonia.

While you are at it, please remind what USA has done for Macedonia.

We may be going off-topic, but I will add that "Australia" (i.e. Macedonians living and operating there politically) gave Macedonia its one and only sovereign national flag - The Macedonian Sun and Macedonians their main national symbol for identity and unity.

[Buktop]

Originally Posted by Risto the Great

Don't bother looking.
Now just list the single most harmful thing the USA has done AGAINST Macedonia. This flows on from my Buktopianasm .... weigh up the harmful thing against what USA has done for Macedonia.

While you are at it, please remind what USA has done for Macedonia.

For me to do this, I must also divide the pro's and con's into 2 governments that were in power during the perpetration of the acts. In which case, I can only say that a Republican US benefits Macedonia, whereas Democratic US harms Macedonia. You and I both know the acts perpetrated against Macedonia took place (almost entirely) under the Clinton administration, whereas under Bush (though he was a moron) Macedonia enjoyed numerous benefits ranging from economic-military-political support.

I am still waiting to hear what good Australia has done? Simply by not respecting Macedonia's right to it's name means it is in support of Greek policy, and therefor is working against Macedonia. Why you keep making excuses for this is beyond me.

[Buktop]

Originally Posted by indigen

We may be going off-topic, but I will add that "Australia" (i.e. Macedonians living and operating there politically) gave Macedonia its one and only sovereign national flag - The Macedonian Sun and Macedonians their main national symbol for identity and unity.

How is that exactly?

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by Buktop

Read article 224 of the treaty of Rome

How about you reread the decision you posted and completely perverted in its meaning and then try to relate Article 224 to it rather than attempting more pathetic scaremongering. Seeing as you are now placing emphasis on Article 224 of the Treaty of Rome (and I'm not sure why for this particular decision, but I'm guessing so that you give your scaremongering the appearance of some truth behind it by quoting smart looking articles), you may want to look at how it was redefined by successive EU treaties.

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by Buktop

Simply by not respecting Macedonia's right to it's name means it is in support of Greek policy, and therefor is working against Macedonia.

Same for YOU/UMD with regard to the Interim Accord and the Framework Agreement.

[aleksandrov]

Originally Posted by Buktop

I originally posted it on Maknews to get your opinion on it, knowing that you are a person who particularly focus' on legal issues, you never gave me your opinion.

I have never claimed to be a legal expert, nor have I claimed that I have practiced law, I am posting this case as an observer, and an enthusiast.

This case decided that Greece would not be responsible for paying the costs incurred by Macedonia and that actions taken by Greece were justified, as well as the invoking of interim measures.

My view of this case is that it gives legality to actions taken by Greece against Macedonia, and that Greece is not responsible for costs incurred by Macedonia as a result of those actions. This says to me that if a similar situation occurs in the future, that we may see similar measures taken by Greece. Though we know in reality, this is not the case, and completely against the principles of sovereignty and human rights.

I am genuinely interested in your opinion, and I am also interested if you know of any other articles or precedents that may bare weight on the illegality of actions taken by Greece, I have been trying to do some research, but again, I am no expert.

I have not yet taken the time to analyze this case because you have not indicated why you think it is relevant in the contexts in which you have posted it. Of course some actions by one country against another may be found to not be in breach of international law. To present this case as being relevant to whatever argument you are trying to make, you first need to consider what laws or legal principles the plaintiff was seeking to apply to what facts, and what was the reasoning that the Court used to justify its decision. Are the particular laws or legal principles that the Court was asked to apply in that case a topic of any of the discussions in which you have cited the case? If so, to what extent were the facts in that case similar to the facts that formed the discussion topic in which you decided to cite it?

Independently of the above request for clarification from you about what you are trying to say, I should clarify that while I am strongly committed to the moral laws enshrined in the International Bill of Rights, I do not suffer from illusions of an adequate international judiciary and law enforcement agencies on which we can rely for their consistent application. The only current hope for non-arbitrary implementation of internationally codified human rights standards rests in the political will and grass-roots action of enlightened and self-empowered citizens.

[indigen]

Originally Posted by Buktop

How is that exactly?

Do some research or wait for some other day for I to tell you.

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by Buktop

For me to do this, I must also divide the pro's and con's into 2 governments that were in power during the perpetration of the acts. In which case, I can only say that a Republican US benefits Macedonia, whereas Democratic US harms Macedonia. You and I both know the acts perpetrated against Macedonia took place (almost entirely) under the Clinton administration, whereas under Bush (though he was a moron) Macedonia enjoyed numerous benefits ranging from economic-military-political support.

I am still waiting to hear what good Australia has done? Simply by not respecting Macedonia's right to it's name means it is in support of Greek policy, and therefor is working against Macedonia. Why you keep making excuses for this is beyond me.

Wow, it is pretty convenient to split the USA into various Governments. Kind of like the "good cop bad cop routine". Australia did not influence Macedonia to lose its sovereignty. Nor did it assist the enemy during the 2001 war. Go on, admit it. The USA is no friend of Macedonia. The fact that it did "nice things" (which I still doubt) after destroying its sovereignty sounds like token gestures to me.

So how bad do you think Clinton was for Macedonia and can Macedonia ever recover with a mindset like yours? Be honest.

[julie]

Originally Posted by indigen

We may be going off-topic, but I will add that "Australia" (i.e. Macedonians living and operating there politically) gave Macedonia its one and only sovereign national flag - The Macedonian Sun and Macedonians their main national symbol for identity and unity.

bravo Indigen.
us "kenguri" (another Buktopianism) are pretty cool

[UMDiaspora.org]

UMD Sends Protest Note to University of Oxford

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Dear Ms. Adams and Mr. Anastasakis:

On behalf of the United Macedonian Diaspora (UMD), a leading organization for Macedonians worldwide, I am writing to express our disappointment over your recent publication on the Challenges and Prospects of South East European Economies in the Wake of the Financial Crisis (link: http://www.sant.ox.ac.uk/seesox/pdf/...ngesreport.pdf). Although, we are quite interested in this topic, your publication was quite biased towards the Greek position on Macedonia and does not merit something that would come out of such a prestigious and respected institution as the University of Oxford. Throughout the publication, Macedonia is referred to as "FYROM," and "Former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia." Neither of these terms describe the Republic of Macedonia, the official name of the country. Given that the University of Oxford is a British institution and that the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland's official policy is to refer to the country as Republic of Macedonia, we would not expect anything less than the University of Oxford to follow official reference for the country.

Furthermore, it is quite surprising that such a conference was organized without the participation of a Macedonian national bank or other financial institution representative. UMD understands your collaboration with the Bank of Greece, however playing ethnic politics or favoritism has no place in academia and respected institutions such as the University of Oxford.

We hope this mistake will be corrected.

Sincerely,

Metodija A. Koloski
President, United Macedonian Diaspora
[email protected]

CC: Her Excellency, Ambassador of the Republic of Macedonia to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Ambassador Marija Efremova
Goran Mickovski, UMD representative based in London