United Macedonia Diaspora - Page 363

Vangelovski · 05-24-2010, 11:20 PM

Buktop,

You don't need to defend UMD, but seeing as you insist on doing so, I'm asking you the question: Why would TCA (incorporated in 2007) provide $150,000 to UMD?

Yes, I know how large the Turkish-American community is - 117,000 (US Census).

One of my theories was that the original source of the $150,000 was the US Government. There are other possibilities as well, but seeing as you chose to vehemently deny this one, it seemed more plausible

After further investigation, TCA did in fact recieve $30 million in "grants and donations" in its first year of incorporation...

Buktop · 05-24-2010, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Vangelovski

Buktop,

You don't need to defend UMD, but seeing as you insist on doing so, I'm asking you the question: Why would TCA (incorporated in 2007) provide $150,000 to UMD?

Not defending UMD here, I am trying to figure out how you could possibly come to the conclusion that TCA would be allocating government money to UMD for a policy alignment...

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Yes, I know how large the Turkish-American community is - 117,000 (US Census).

I asked you if you knew how large the Turkish Diaspora was, not how big the US Turkish diaspora was...

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One of my theories was that the original source of the $150,000 was the US Government. There are other possibilities as well, but seeing as you chose to vehemently deny this one, it seemed more plausible

Would you care to share your reasoning for this assumption? or would you like to retain the image of a conspiracy theorist?

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After further investigation, TCA did in fact recieve $30 million in "grants and donations" in its first year of incorporation...

mhm, so did this $30 million also come from the US government? Or are you finally starting to believe what I am trying to tell you...

UMDiaspora.org · 05-24-2010, 11:41 PM

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Vangelovski · 05-24-2010, 11:49 PM

Buktop,

This may be new to you, but the US Government, along with many other governments, provide funding for many organisations through intermediaries. Again, no big conspiracy there.

TCA is not the only Turkish organisation in the US. It would be a highly competitive environment for the various Turkish organisations in terms of fundraising, particularly with such a small community. Just to give you an idea of how many Turkish organisations in the US are vying for funding see http://www.turkishcoalition.org/organization.html

TCA was incorporated in 2007 and managed to raise $30 million in its first year? Many of those organisations have been around for more than a decade and have not managed to do what the TCA did in its first year of incorporation...something that it did not achieve in 2008, where it only managed to raise $1.6 million through "grants and donations etc". Why the massive discrepancy? Why the huge success in 2007 and relative failure in 2008?

indigen · 05-25-2010, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by amitreski

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Originally Posted by osiris View Post
mitreski are you able to give us a break down of where most of umds finacial support comes from.

On a public forum? Are you kidding?

I like this response, it displays a lot of "public accountability".

Mikail · 05-25-2010, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by UMDiaspora.org

New Jersey Premiere of A Name is A Name - June 11, 2010

More details and to buy your tickets, click here: http://www.acteva.com/booking.cfm?bevaid=196790

How can you continue to post your announcements amongst so many questions about you and your organisation?

To me, it demonstrates your unwillingness to be transparent. You have much to hide and your actions are quite despicable!

Volk · 05-25-2010, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikail

How can you continue to post your announcements amongst so many questions about you and your organisation?

To me, it demonstrates your unwillingness to be transparent. You have much to hide and your actions are quite despicable!

Are you fking kidding me? you want them to have an audit for you as well.

Vangelovski · 05-25-2010, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Volk

Are you fking kidding me? you want them to have an audit for you as well.

That is what non-profit organisations do. And the great majority of them are accountable and transparent enough to make their finances (and audits) public.

Mikail · 05-25-2010, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Volk

Are you fking kidding me? you want them to have an audit for you as well.

What fucking audit are you on about? How about just clearing up the the air! Clearing your name that is full of controversy!

Vangelovski · 05-25-2010, 01:50 AM

Here's some advice from the Institute of Charted Accountants in Australia:

Although not-for-profit (NFP) organisations come in many shapes and sizes, they must all communicate with the people who give money or time to them, as well as those who buy goods or services from them. Annual and financial reports represent a prime opportunity to do this. As well as demonstrating transparency, a good report will underline achievements and show where an organisation has made a difference.

http://www.charteredaccountants.com....t_guidance.pdf

That's some 'best-practice' for you "Volk"

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05-24-2010, 11:20 PM	#3621
Vangelovski Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,520	Buktop, You don't need to defend UMD, but seeing as you insist on doing so, I'm asking you the question: Why would TCA (incorporated in 2007) provide $150,000 to UMD? Yes, I know how large the Turkish-American community is - 117,000 (US Census). One of my theories was that the original source of the $150,000 was the US Government. There are other possibilities as well, but seeing as you chose to vehemently deny this one, it seemed more plausible After further investigation, TCA did in fact recieve $30 million in "grants and donations" in its first year of incorporation... __________________ If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14 The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

05-24-2010, 11:41 PM	#3623
UMDiaspora.org Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: United States, Australia, Canada Posts: 525	New Jersey Premiere of A Name is A Name - June 11, 2010 More details and to buy your tickets, click here: http://www.acteva.com/booking.cfm?bevaid=196790 __________________ For comments, questions, concerns, please contact us at: United Macedonian Diaspora http://www.umdiaspora.org 1101 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, 6th Floor, Washington, D.C. 20004, United States Phone: (202) 756-2244, Fax: (202) 756-7323, E-mail: [email protected] PO Box 2153, Hawthorn, Vic. 3122, Australia Phone: 0438 385 466, E-mail: [email protected] 3555 St. Clair Avenue East, Toronto, ON, M1K 1L6, Canada Phone: 416-209-0448, E-mail: [email protected]

05-24-2010, 11:49 PM	#3624
Vangelovski Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,520	Buktop, This may be new to you, but the US Government, along with many other governments, provide funding for many organisations through intermediaries. Again, no big conspiracy there. TCA is not the only Turkish organisation in the US. It would be a highly competitive environment for the various Turkish organisations in terms of fundraising, particularly with such a small community. Just to give you an idea of how many Turkish organisations in the US are vying for funding see http://www.turkishcoalition.org/organization.html TCA was incorporated in 2007 and managed to raise $30 million in its first year? Many of those organisations have been around for more than a decade and have not managed to do what the TCA did in its first year of incorporation...something that it did not achieve in 2008, where it only managed to raise $1.6 million through "grants and donations etc". Why the massive discrepancy? Why the huge success in 2007 and relative failure in 2008? __________________ If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14 The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

05-25-2010, 01:50 AM	#3630
Vangelovski Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,520	Here's some advice from the Institute of Charted Accountants in Australia: Although not-for-profit (NFP) organisations come in many shapes and sizes, they must all communicate with the people who give money or time to them, as well as those who buy goods or services from them. Annual and financial reports represent a prime opportunity to do this. As well as demonstrating transparency, a good report will underline achievements and show where an organisation has made a difference. http://www.charteredaccountants.com....t_guidance.pdf That's some 'best-practice' for you "Volk" __________________ If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14 The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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