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Old 05-24-2010, 08:04 AM   #3591
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Toronto, How dumb would it sound if the Ambassador called us FYROM when USA has recognized our name in all fields including institutions and organizations where as most other countries including Canada have only recognized us bilateraly they still call us fyrom in UN,Nato,EU,Council of Europe etc etc

This is what i dont understand, USA was the first country to recognize Kosovo and they pressured us into recognizing that Terrorist State, why didnt they pressure other countries including Greece to recognize us? Im sure there are ways to blackmail them in the sense of withdrawing Aid or even putting sanctions down and you can bet your arse they'll do it if this something to their advantage but instead they are telling us to find a compromise and when you use words like compromise to Greeks to them the only way to find a "Compromise" is if we dont exist as a nation dont warry about the name dispute thats just the tip of the iceburg.

The same way the Greeks negotiated with Turkey for 36 years over the Cyprus issue? The same way Greece threatened to Veto 12 countries if Cyprus didnt join the EU? You should know better that when you hear this word you're better off banging your head against a brick wall.

Which former US Ambassador in Macedonia knew/could speak Albanian?? Christopher Hill? Mike Einick, Lawrence Buttler? Jillian Milovanovich? Come on nobody knew Albanian thats just a bullshit demand from the Albanian Terrorists who are doing all they can to destablize us in order to prove to the world that they want to cooperate yet we dont give them the proper rights. Just remember one thing, Menduh Tachi openly stated that 99% of all Albanians in Macedonia and Kosovo dream of a Greater Albania its not rocket science to figure it out when they openly state it themselves.

As for the Albanian parties, well its the Magareto or the Zmija saying they are all scum anyways both DPA and DUI they have to choose one so whoever they choose is a terrible option, thats the reality of it all.
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Old 05-24-2010, 08:09 AM   #3592
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Prolet, sometimes, you really amaze me
And am voting for you for president
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Old 05-24-2010, 08:21 AM   #3593
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Spolaj Ti Julie that was nice of you
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Old 05-24-2010, 08:25 AM   #3594
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definitely NO!
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Old 05-24-2010, 08:27 AM   #3595
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Just one point, Prolet -- I met Hill in Poland, and he does speak Albanian. He told me he speaks better Albanian than Macedonia, and spent a lot of time in Kosovo too.-- he opened US embassy in Albania before he was brought to MK. Don't know about the others.

Also, I do not think saying "the 'name issue' must be resolved" means it must be changed. H*ll no! One way to resolve it is just to end the debate and move on. Make the Greeks give in. Why keep it as an open issue, is the way I read it. The Macedonian government could make the issue go away by just saying NO; and that resolves the issue.
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Old 05-24-2010, 08:31 AM   #3596
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well said makodtoronto its what we have all been saying on mto for a long time.

end the negotiations stop the charade and the self-disrespect right now.
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Old 05-24-2010, 09:08 AM   #3597
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You've got it right, Osiris.
If Government of Macedonia declares the "name issue" over/resolved, then it becomes only Greeces problem. US/Reeker won't have to deal with it then, or answer the journalist questions -- and that's all the media ever asks about.

Our company worked with the MPC and got the yanks (nothing from Canada!) to give $600,000 for Sv. Bogorodica Perivleptos in Ohrid. Reeker joined Ivanov to give them the money. That was about respect for Macedonia, its history, its church. All the bloody media could ask about was the "name" -- and Reeker says the same thing every time.

"Solve" this now by declaring there is no "name" issue, and moving on. It's all a diversion.
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Old 05-24-2010, 09:24 AM   #3598
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Well said guys. I agree 110%. Best way to resolve it is to ignore it. The more credence we give it as an issue, the bigger the issue becomes.
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Old 05-24-2010, 09:25 AM   #3599
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doesnt the irony ever strike these western lords of the universe. they are celebrating macedonian history and culture yet entertain the notion of calling it all something else.

osiris to western europes leadership circles is there any intelligent life and sense of justice left in your minds and souls.
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Old 05-24-2010, 11:03 AM   #3600
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If you want to guess what someone is thinking you need to go back over their history for clues. Some of you seem to have a positive view of the usa while others have the opposite and you each cite examples. You are both right as you are equally both wrong. Go back over usa history and you will see one consistency in their actions - whatís good for the usa is good for the usa and everything else is questionable. The only exception is Israel. But leaving them aside if you are on the positive side of the wind in usas interests then you gain if you are not then you potentially stand to loose. Some might say whatís wrong with that - shouldnít a countries representatives first concern is their country. The sentiment from the rest of you can be summed up as pick your mates and stick with them. Nice sentiments but unrealistic in politics yet in this pc world it is exactly what we are meant to say and not do. I wont go into the pros and cons of supporting Macedonia now but in reference to the Albanians one needs to remember they are the usas science experiment to show the rest of the Muslim world the usa is not against Muslims just radical terrorist types who happen to be Muslim. Hence the unwavering support for the Albanians in Kosovo and Macedonia and if put to the test they will be against Greece. Gruevski playing nice to the Albanians in parliament is only in keeping with usa rule number one. Gruevskis attempts to include other minorities particularly the other Muslim groups to dilute the Albanians power is condoned by the usa because this action shows the Muslim world the usa and Macedonia like all Muslims equally. No bad publicity from the Muslim world yet achieve your end to dilute the Albania power in Macedonia. Marifet. This is how the usa works.

To answer the question of this thread Iíll start by qualifying my answer with the umd have the coolest name for a Macedonian diaspora organization and it would be great if all Macedonians world wide could present themselves as a united front and be taken more seriously and the umd would be a polished name for such a united front but their back flips and dubious comments from time to time do not fill me with confidence they are upto the task. Rather then killing the umd maybe the faces representing it need changing to not only reflect the views of the Macedonians in the diaspora which is what they should be doing but more importantly be able to do it competently. Surely there are highly educated Macedonians in the diaspora who could better fill the positions.

By the way in a different thread much earlier I proposed Prolet Jankovska and Bucktop for the three diaspora seats in parliament so they can give the what for and set them strait.
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