United Macedonia Diaspora - Page 352

Buktop · 05-23-2010, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Soldier of Macedon

Volk, koi istocni prijateli, amerikancite? Sakas da kazis deka nivnata 'agenda' e amerikanska? Taka mi se cini, ako sum zgresen, kazi.

More like affluent Macedonian's in the US and Canada, various business' and organizations for example, the Turkish Diaspora org who agreed to match up to 100,000 donation, the UMD credit card in which UMD get's a percentage donation from it's use, as well as donations from it's members.

I think you are reading too far into this American agenda thing.

Risto the Great · 05-23-2010, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Buktop

the Turkish Diaspora org who agreed to match up to 100,000 donation

Do you sincerely believe this one Buktop?
Do you think money might be coming from somewhere else via the Turkish organisation? The next time the Turks stand up for ethnic Albanian rights in Macedonia, what will the UMetoD say to its benefactor?

Vangelovski · 05-23-2010, 06:45 PM

I thought it was up to $150,000 (I may be mistaken). However, that is a lot of money for an NGO and for a community that only numbers 117,000 (US Census, 2000) to provide to another community organisation for no concrete benefit to the Turkish community or its interests.

So like RtG, I'm questioning the truthfullness of this "donation" coming from the Turks.

Soldier of Macedon · 05-23-2010, 06:51 PM

Buktop, how about you let people answer for themselves, not everybody is spineless like Meto to require representation from you.

Volk · 05-23-2010, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Soldier of Macedon

Volk, koi istocni prijateli, amerikancite? Sakas da kazis deka nivnata 'agenda' e amerikanska? Taka mi se cini, ako sum zgresen, kazi.

Zborev za financiskata podrskata od Turcite, sto ne e vo opsto mala... Dali e ova od diasporta ili od drzavni institucii ne sum siguren. No faktot sto ne podrzuvat na vakov stepen kazuva mnogu.

Volk · 05-23-2010, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Vangelovski

I thought it was up to $150,000 (I may be mistaken). However, that is a lot of money for an NGO and for a community that only numbers 117,000 (US Census, 2000) to provide to another community organisation for no concrete benefit to the Turkish community or its interests.

So like RtG, I'm questioning the truthfullness of this "donation" coming from the Turks.

Surly your not this blind... I highlighted the bold for a reason, the interests should be painfully obvious.

Vangelovski · 05-23-2010, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Volk

Surly your not this blind... I highlighted the bold for a reason, the interests should be painfully obvious.

No, they're not - point them out Volk. What exactly are the concrete interests that the Turkish community will have fulfilled by donating such a large amount for a small community to a relatively unpopular Macedonian organisation? How can a small organisation representing such a small community even afford to "donate" $150,000? Are you sure that the money is not been transfered through the Turkish community from another source?

Volk · 05-23-2010, 09:00 PM

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No, they're not - point them out Volk.

No, if you cannot see the benefit to Turkey to have a strong Macedonia its not my job to open your eyes.

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to a relatively unpopular Macedonian organisation?

An organisation that shows initiative tends to be popular, the number of attendees at Meto's Australian appearances tend to confirm this.

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How can a small organisation representing such a small community even afford to "donate" $150,000? Are you sure that the money is not been transfered through the Turkish community from another source?

There are many possible avenues for this and of course I am not sure, I am not in charge of their finances.

Seriously trying to attack every minuscule breath of UMD does not strengthen your argument but weakens it by further proving this is some form of personal vendetta.

Vangelovski · 05-23-2010, 09:12 PM

Volk,

Its not the Turkish Government that is apprantly donating, its the Turkish Coalition for America, an organisation that was itself only incorporated in 2007.

Now, tell us what the concrete benefits are of a small community donating $150,000 (a relatively large sum that could be used for their own community) to another small community? You put it out there, now back it up. How can they even afford such an amount?

Soldier of Macedon · 05-23-2010, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Volk

An organisation that shows initiative tends to be popular, the number of attendees at Meto's Australian appearances tend to confirm this.

Don't blow it out of proportion, you make it sounds like thousands came out to greet this guy in the same manner that you, MP and some others did. Many people attended to question UMD policy and statements, attempts by Meto's local apologists were made to shut down the opinion of these people. How popular do you think this person is? On what statistics do you base your statements on?

The MTO is well represented by several Macedonians from Australia, have a guess at where his popularity levels are with us?

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05-23-2010, 06:45 PM	#3513
Vangelovski Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,521	I thought it was up to $150,000 (I may be mistaken). However, that is a lot of money for an NGO and for a community that only numbers 117,000 (US Census, 2000) to provide to another community organisation for no concrete benefit to the Turkish community or its interests. So like RtG, I'm questioning the truthfullness of this "donation" coming from the Turks. __________________ If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14 The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

05-23-2010, 06:51 PM	#3514
Soldier of Macedon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Outpost Posts: 13,660	Buktop, how about you let people answer for themselves, not everybody is spineless like Meto to require representation from you. __________________ In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

05-23-2010, 09:12 PM	#3519
Vangelovski Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,521	Volk, Its not the Turkish Government that is apprantly donating, its the Turkish Coalition for America, an organisation that was itself only incorporated in 2007. Now, tell us what the concrete benefits are of a small community donating $150,000 (a relatively large sum that could be used for their own community) to another small community? You put it out there, now back it up. How can they even afford such an amount? __________________ If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14 The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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