United Macedonia Diaspora

[Rogi]

Firstly, the claims of "destablisation or even war" need to be qualified.

If we are going to proceed with a detailed analysis of what Macedonia should do, then first we need to analyse these so-called limitations and or restrictions that keep getting thrown around, but are never qualified in any detailed manner.

[Pavel]

good point rogi. too many people who say we "have to negotiate" our name and sell out our sovereignty (framework) etc. make assumptions about wars etc. without any proof. a detailed analysis needs to take place and experts need to produce reports before people ask questions with assumptions about "destabilisation" and "wars". if the mak govt was doing its job properly this type of study would already have been done...maybe real diaspora orgs will have to organise this, ones that dont support selling out and that are truly representative and dont have their politics tied to strings in washington....

[Volk]

Rogi, I've said it before, the Framework agreement is there as a temporary measure to keep the albanians silent for now, until kosovo settles down... Then it is our turn, the KLA did not disarm, this is a fact. Civil war is not our greatest obstacle in my opinion, we just need to be prepared for it... Something we where not in 2001 and for good reasons...

Logically, to answer your question, the framework agreement is a peace accord, hence nullifying it would mean the 'reasons' peace are no longer there.

[Prolet]

Rogi, Its not so much about war its about stopping those who are aiding them,training them, giving them weapons. This is all to do with our people bringing closer relations to USA and the EU.

Volk, The thing that people must remember is that Kosovo only has Limited Independence, its not the same as what we got they are worse then Bosnia as far as it goes. I dont believe they are allowed to have an army either and it wont be long till they crack.

I dont see why we should feel intimidated by people like Menduh Tachi and Ali Ahmeti even he is staying in the Shadows, he's already been black listed so im sure he'd like to keep a lid on things. I honestly cant see USA giving them the same support as before because they've been through so many wars since, their economy is not what it used to be so they wont be sticking their hand in the fire anytime soon.

[aleksandrov]

Originally Posted by Volk

aleksandrov, how do you suggest Macedonia rid itself from the framework agreement without destabilization or even war?

Or is this necessary?

Given the veto power that Albanian nationalist parties have been given over legislative decisions, the legal way to override the Framework Agreement is by a referendum that would take away that veto power.

The Framework Agreement should be substituted with progressive policies and legislation to encourage equality before the law, without discrimination along racial, ethnic or religious grounds. Racism should be discouraged among all, through anti-discrimination legislation and implementation based on the most successful Western models.

If any racist extremists decide to take up arms against such progressive reform, they should be dealt with by the force of the law, including the police and military. Quite normal, in any normal society, really.

Perhaps our alleged American friends can help us deal with armed extremists and terrorists the way they deal with theirs (with our nominal help).

[Prolet]

Originally Posted by slovenec zrinski

Nice to see my own forum stalker back

Zrinski, Phoenix is not a bad person no need to be so upset with him. His contribution in this forum is very well respected, he even said Spolaj Ti to you i think thats being polite.

[Prolet]

The thing that people also need to see is that the Albanians probably hate the Framework agreement more then we do. They've stated this many times, some even want to terminate the agreement.

[Buktop]

Originally Posted by Rogi

Firstly, the claims of "destablisation or even war" need to be qualified.

If we are going to proceed with a detailed analysis of what Macedonia should do, then first we need to analyse these so-called limitations and or restrictions that keep getting thrown around, but are never qualified in any detailed manner.

Rogi, I have, on numerous occasions, detailed the possible economic ramifications, and I have also given suggestions and a time frame to avoid those ramifications, the problem being the governments lack of will to complete several crucial projects that are already underway, as well as their lack of will to initiate newer projects that would prove to be even more beneficial.

I am sure you saw the article that XRVOL posted on Maknews about the rail lines to Bulgaria.

[Prolet]

Buktop,That section is probably my favorite out of the forum, its a shame that not many people contribute as much as they used to i think it was Rogi's idea to open it. I got some news in now i'll be posting it there, it would be good to have people giving their two cents worth.

[Buktop]

Originally Posted by Prolet

Buktop,That section is probably my favorite out of the forum, its a shame that not many people contribute as much as they used to i think it was Rogi's idea to open it. I got some news in now i'll be posting it there, it would be good to have people giving their two cents worth.

I was trying to Prolet but when I try to submit my replies, it is giving me a "Submitted Form was Invalid" error, I don't know why...