United Macedonia Diaspora

[vodenka]

It is in my democratic rights to be negative on them! They are the leadership of a political party, nothing more, nothing less. I do not like them. Full stop.
I do not know how many thousands support me, but I know for sure how many thousands do not support Vinozhito. And there are really many, believe me!

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Rogi

Phoenix, there are quite a few. In fact, some are at the highest positions in some of Greece's largest companies. That of course only lasts if they continue to keep quiet about being Macedonian.

But if you are asking about Grkomani, there are so many of them, including in Government.

Thanks Rogi and Vodenka...it makes it all the harder to understand the systematic discrimination that exists in modern greece, that often our own people are fucking us over by remaining quiet or deliberately promoting the racist policies of a couple of ruling families in Athens...

[Pavel]

but you were just complaining that they are negative on you? i suppose they dont have the same democratic rights as you? even so you are the one being negative all the time. you try to make people think they are just liars and "making business" and money for themselves etc. that is terrible. if your organisation doesnt have thousands of supporters like vinozhito, i suppose that means that even more thousands dont support your organisation. how many dozens support your organisation?

[vodenka]

they are just liars and "making business" and money for themselves etc.

I am afraid this is the truth!

If you believe that Macedonians in Egejska are about 250.000 (minimum) who are more or less consciouss of their ethnic identity, I say only half of them are ethnic Macedonians who could vote and support Vinozhito, the party should get at least 100.000 votes at every european election to which thr party runs, by now.
Our organization is only one year old, not very known, yet, and we are not looking for voters.

[Pavel]

you have a bad attitude and you say things without proving them. i like all the organisations in egejska to do better. just because there was only 4,000 for the last election that doesnt mean we should give up helping. all those 4,000 cannot be all stupid. they live in greece too and they dont agree with you about vinozhito. i hope that your organisation grows too and that you get many more dozens in the future.

[vodenka]

Originally Posted by Pavel

i hope that your organisation grows too and that you get many more dozens in the future.

Thank you!

[Bratot]

Originally Posted by vodenka

I am afraid this is the truth!

This kind of defamation is legally prosecuted.

I suggest to you to focus on your organization instead of blackening Vinozhito with no arguments.

Because tomorrow somebody else will be doing the same to you and we know how damaging can be for all of us.

The Greeks on the other hand will show solidarity even with the devil himself if he score for their cause.

[vodenka]

History

The MA.KI.VE (Macedonian Movement of Balkan Welfare), and the following "Rainbow" Party, were created by those Macedonians who realized that without a mass gathering of the organization, the successful accomplishment of the aims of their struggle is impossible. The afterward contacts with other European ethnic movements confirmed this choice.

All the ethnic movements in Europe which succeeded their recognition and the full establishment of their rights, created ethnic struggle organizations that obliged the European States to establish rules and institutions to protect the rights of small ethnic communities and minorities. The Macedonians in Greece , although they did not participate to those struggles, had the possibility to make productive other's successes, if they pursued them in a right way. During the 90ties, when the Balkan States were placed in the European institutions, all the ethnic communities and minorities that existed there, made use of those institutions to accomplish the full establishment of their rights. Macedonians in Greece are the only ones who could not accomplish this. The reason why is something that needs an answer.

The west European ethnic movements (Flemish, Basque, Catalan, Tyrol , and Irish) were the first on this kind of struggle and opened the way for the east European and Balkan communities and minorities. All of them created political parties, which represents them. These parties gather and, of course, get the votes of all the members of such ethnic communities. For example, the political parties of Albanians in the Republic of Macedonia , of Turks in Bulgaria , of Grecos of Albania, in our neighboring States, amass and are voted for by the entire community of their co-nationals. The same thing does not happen with the Macedonians in Greece . The Rainbow Party gathers less than 1% of the Macedonian votes. The reason why must be answered. For the European standards a minority party that gets 3.000 votes, and only in European elections, is considered politically insignificant. Parisis, in his speech in the party congress, said that "…. were clarified the long time existing rumors from previous information in Brussels 's "circles" that we, here, were not worth to discuss about". However, these information and rumors were strengthened by the electoral results, which, of course are used against us by our persecutors.

The founders of MA.KI.VE and "Rainbow", since the beginning, were aware that without the gathering and acceptance of the Party by all the Macedonians, they would not be able to achieve anything. To achieve this aim they worked with method and eagerness. It is not by chance that, although few in number and with little education, they lifted the biggest burden in creating the party and the edition of the first Macedonian newspaper.

The results were spectacular and indisputable. The party, as first time, got a satisfactory-for a beginning- number of votes (in the Ministry of Interior arrived 10.300 votes-Florina 2.250-Pella 1.602) although it was unprepared, its initial annulment created problems and many Macedonians did not vote because they did not know its existence. The newspaper Zora made 4.000 papers each edition. Its quality and efficiency was never doubted by anybody. Announcements, press releases, the answers to the newspapers that were given by the office in Aridea created an image of a serious political organization to the extend that several people doubted that all these were written by persons with mediocre education. Big newspapers wrote "….it is about people who know about politics and the skill of propaganda." This, of course, put those responsible of the office of Aridea in the target of enemies and friends. The Aridea team found itself in the front line and got all the "fire" of adversaries. Not only endured but also made stable steps forward. Although it managed to resist on the front of the adversaries, did not succeed with the hits from the inside.

The undermining came from Voskopoulos "clique". The electoral and political slander of Rainbow at the elections in 1996 was done thanks to the process that took place without the knowledge and out of the elected organism of the party. The Voskopoulos team without the agreement and the information of the party organism did the contacts with the OAKKE. The contacts and the agreement were "closed" since May 1996. Most of the members of the Central Council and the Political Secretariat were informed the last day. This was done, of course, to take by surprise the members and not give them the time to think about the matter and be able to make their contacts with our people. That collaboration was not approved not even by the 2% of those who voted for us at the first elections. The clique was indifferent –may be consciously- that the 99% of the Macedonians would not agree to that collaboration and that the international circles to which our organization addressed, were negative to such far leftist and marginal parties. If the clique believed this collaboration would have had good results, it would have informed and asked for the approval of the Central Council to go ahead with contacts with OAKKE or also other parties.

That premeditated action had as result the shrinking of Rainbow electoral base, the disappointment of our people and the distrust toward the leadership of the organization.

The clique instead of taking responsibility and ask, begging, for pardon from the members and friends for the damage it caused to our fragile ethnic movement, put in action its plan to elbow aside the founders of the movement whom could not drag like beings with lack of will, behind it. As these persons were estimable and it was difficult to elbow aside them, it used some common tactics to the experienced rogue but unknown to the inexperienced and naïve Macedonians. They pretended the annulment and replacement of the Central Council and the voting of a new Manifesto in which were included statements that were not of common acceptance and harmful, as per example the often use of the term "minority". It is a common tactic of rogues to set theory matters for discussion to the members, which is certain that will bring discordant views and as a result, disagreement and breaking up. The fact that never in the past such matters were put for discussion shows the intention for which they were put them now. They knew that only the experienced and consistent activists of the organization, especially those of the Aridea office, would resist to that. There were at least 6-7 members of the Central Council who knew that the clique was determined to pull the rope until the breaking and to take the newspaper and the party under its control. Some of these members have already spoken; some others are silent although they have a duty to speak. Why the organization was so roughly defamed and blackmailed, this question has –and has historic responsibility- to be answered by each member who wants to help for the movement's revival.

Voskopoulos had shown signs of undermining the responsible of the Aridea office, several months before. He was saying that the newspaper was late in its edition because "in Aridea we have few members while in Florina many, where it could be edited more often" or that "we have problem with Traiko's salary". He said to Lithoxoou "Aridea considers his writings not suitable" with result for Lithoxoou to stop sending his work. He supported anybody who wanted to patronize the movement and drove them against the Aridea office, as for example Dimitras who called us "Slavomacedonians" and was annoyed by the Central Council's protest which was delivered to him by the Aridea office. Voskopoulos told him "this is a job of the Aridea office". Every stranger who wanted to influence the politics of the organization found an ally in Voskopoulos. The same thing happens for each member who saw the organization like a club, where he could "sell" revolutionism, intellect, or just spend some time. The same goes for the professionals who used our struggle to do business in the Republic of Macedonia . By this way, he created his venturesome clique that exploits and devastates the organization.

In the place the responsible of the Aridea office had, he put a woman who is paid regularly without doing anything of what the previous person did. That person edited the newspaper doing all the work himself (writing articles, paging, printing, folding by hand and distributing). He was the responsible for the Press and answered to local and pan-Hellenic newspapers. His articles were published in "Avgi", "Epochi", "Eleytherotypia", "Ikonomiko Tachidromo", etc. He did a political struggle more than anybody else did. For the 5,5 years, only during the last 1,5 he was paid the salary of an unskilled worker. The 4 years before, he got nothing. In his place, they have put a woman whose only role is to be the personal secretary of the clique. The newspaper they published -and were the subscription money went with the result to stop the publishing of the "Zora" newspaper- was published only 3 times and were distributed less than 1.000 newspapers. What happened to those many members that would have helped to the edition of the newspaper, more often? It was a proof that this was a pretext by Voskopoulos to take under his control the newspaper and to close it.

In July 1998, the meeting of the Detsa Begaltsi was organized in Edessa in the occasion of the completion of 50 years of the exodus. "Gods and Demons" were mobilized for the meeting not to succeed and mainly for not many Macedonians in Greece to participate to it. The Voskopoulos clique instead of struggling to change that clime of terror that was created by our adversaries and instead of urging our people to participate to the meeting, it organized another similar event in Florina, the same day and time. It also spread lies that the meeting in Edessa was not going to happen. With this act, the clique ridiculed us also as people. Our people got disappointed but mainly it lost any confidence to the organization, and turned its back to it.

The result of such psychologically incorrect behavior was the lessening of the Rainbow votes at the elections in 1999. As the results were so negative, they tried to blame others. They were spreading-especially to the Diaspora- that in Edessa "we are damaged by Pritskas-Passois." Of course, they do not have anybody to indicate, from Edessa or elsewhere, who realized that those two or some others tried to influence negatively even one voter. However, they do not have answers why the votes in Florina, Kastoria, etc were dropping in numbers. Instead of accepting their responsibilities, they devoted themselves in the defamation, which is characteristic of incapable and immoral persons and which was their last weapon they had.

Lianis, using the clique, exploited the Rainbow on the regional elections in 2002 and in the parliamentary elections in 2004; he squeezed it like a lemon and threw out the lemon-peel. In the regional elections in October 2006, nobody wanted collaboration with Rainbow Party, but also it did not dare to run independently in them. Nobody esteems political parties of this size, as they do not have the possibility of important influence.

As counterbalance to the total lack of political action, the clique consumes itself in manifestation of personal prestige, self-projection and public relations in foreign countries. Even the party assemblies and the congress were manifestations of this kind. They do not present analysis of the situation and evaluation of the results, neither strategic elaboration nor action planning. Usually they consume themselves in the projection of the actions of the clique. While they do not have any substantial activities here, they do not miss any chance to present themselves in the Macedonian media and in the organizations of the Diaspora. The bulletin info-Zora plays clearly the role of internal self-projection. Therefore, while the people here have turned their back to them, abroad they made a big name and they exploit it. The fact that the 99% of our people has turned its back to the organization does not bother them. Criticism and self-criticism, which are elements for correction of a wrong course for any organization, they have annulled it. They have substituted the self-criticism with the self-release of their heavy responsibilities, which they cast upon others. If anybody criticizes them, gets disappointed and is forced to withdraw. Result of this disastrous phenomenon is the inactivity and removal of the majority of the members.

The radio station they said they are going to do is something they were saying since 1994. For this purpose, indeed, they rented the next-door office to the office in Florina. All the radio stations that had submitted a complete file, they were all legalized. The clique in these 5 years did not take the trouble even to submit the necessary documents. The value, as of today, of the machinery that is needed for a radio station to function, is not more than 35 to 40 thousand euros. That means the most modern and perfect and new machinery. The value of machinery that has been used for about 5 years drops to less than the half. The radio station could also be legalized by validating the prerogatives given by the European institutions for the lesser spoken languages and minorities. However, this presupposes will, responsibility and action. As it is now the situation even if the radio station is put in function, it will have the same fate and the same effectiveness of the "Info-Zora".

This trafficked organization does not have a chance to respond to the role for which it was created. The only role it plays is to keep the movement recoiled, marginal, and ineffective and to waste time in favor of our adversaries.

For this situation is not responsible only the clique but all the members of the Central Council who tolerated and advocated these phenomena of decay. Today, even with a delay of many years, they are obliged to take their responsibilities, which anyway history will charge upon them. The Central Council must ask immediately the reasons for the utter failure and go ahead to bold actions of sanitation. The criticism and self-criticism must be deep and in painful degree. The reasons of the utter failure are to be found inside the organization-especially the one in Florina- and not outside of it. The rainbow was destroyed from the inside. Those who condemned the party to the 1% of the Macedonian votes annulled also the prospective of its aims to succeed on the pattern of the Grekos in Albania , of Turks in Bulgaria , the Albanians in Macedonia , the Flemish, the Basques….. The Macedonians are the only ones who could not make productive the European institutions for full rehabilitation of their rights and this is not by chance.

INTRODUCTION

For the accomplishment of the aims, there are two ways:

- Sanitation of the organization from the inside

- Demolition of it from outside

Preferable way and less painful is the first.

_________________

Signed: Passois


Vinozhito is one of those parties that has more ex-members than members.
Everybody is free to support the above party and think he is doing the right thing. Do not wonder, though, were are the Egejci Macedonians because Vinozhito job is to hide them very well!

[vodenka]

Originally Posted by Bratot

This kind of defamation is legally prosecuted.

I suggest to you to focus on your organization instead of blackening Vinozhito with no arguments.

Because tomorrow somebody else will be doing the same to you and we know how damaging can be for all of us.

The Greeks on the other hand will show solidarity even with the devil himself if he score for their cause.

Vinozhito can sue us who are saying the truth, but first they have to answer, officially, to an official question: what happened with the money they got from the Diaspora to buy a radio station in Lerin? We do not care about the money (the Diaspora is free to donate money to anyone it likes), but we cannot allow some people to blackening our name as Macedonians, as this scandal is very well known in Greece. We as ex-members cannot allow to be considered accomplices to fraud. The leadership used us to get the money and now they are trying to do the same.

[Pavel]

these are not facts they are just opinions. many others in egejska as i mentioned before, do not agree with you. you keep recycling the same things over and over. vinozhito do complete financial report every year and they do not have to answer you on how they spend money. and now you say things like this "Do not wonder, though, were are the Egejci Macedonians because Vinozhito job is to hide them very well!" i am sure when the greeks who watch on here are very happy with you when say terrible things like that about vinzhito. also you help to provide them with information for their spys in egejska how to cause more arguments and divisions between our people there. if you can do better than show us. i will support you. but stop saying terrible lies that vinozhito works for the greeks to hide egejci. you should be ashamed.