United Macedonia Diaspora - Page 232

Buktop · 02-09-2010, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Soldier of Macedon

There is no doubt about it, Meto still supports the notion of prefixa de democratica. The Adelaide clip confirms this.

Like TajnataKniga, the (now missing) member of this forum, he said that, well, Macedonia is democratic afterall, so it's not all that bad.

Meto provided his justification for supporting the prefix at the time it was proposed, he also states that he no longer supports this, I guess you missed it?

Vangelovski · 02-09-2010, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Buktop

Meto provided his justification for supporting the prefix at the time it was proposed, he also states that he no longer supports this, I guess you missed it?

And again,

It should NEVER have been an option. It has NEVER been and NEVER will be an option for any Australian Macedonian organisation.

What happens the next time the wind changes directions? Will Meto go with it again? He's already flip-flopped from no name change, to pro name change to supposedly no name change again.

Buktop · 02-09-2010, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Vangelovski

Buktop, it should NEVER have been an option. It has NEVER been and NEVER will be an option for any Australian Macedonian organisation.

What happens the next time the wind changes directions? Will Meto go with it again? He's already flip-flopped from no name change, to pro name change to supposedly no name change again.

He made a mistake and admitted it.

What happens the next time? Hmm, this question seems familiar, didn't you have a go at Mitreski for asking that very question?

The evidence we have is that they are against a name change, should the situation arise where they become pro-change, it will be addressed.

Vangelovski · 02-09-2010, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Buktop

He made a mistake and admitted it.

What happens the next time? Hmm, this question seems familiar, didn't you have a go at Mitreski for asking that very question?

The evidence we have is that they are against a name change, should the situation arise where they become pro-change, it will be addressed.

No, the evidence we have shows they are an ideologically flawed organisation with no principled stand that can flip-flop.

Ask Mitreski what?

Vangelovski · 02-09-2010, 09:34 PM

Bringing this thread back on topic, I think we have a clear majority opinion, that the Press Release in question amounts to UMD support for the Framework Agreement.

Pelister · 02-09-2010, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by aleksandrov

Do you mean the Macedonian Honorary Consul from Perth, Zoran Coseski?

The only Ambassador we have here is the one in Canberra, Petar Stojanoski.

Yes.

We had some contructive and informal discussions.

He said that he was informed by the Macedonian leaders that they will never change the name. Doesn't this statement contradict the evidence?

But I thought there were many contradictions in all of these comments that I could not ignore, and alot of what was said simply did not make any sense.

I was told that "we have no choice but to negotiate". My reply was ofcourse we have a choice. We have international law, and history on our side.

Zoran defended the Interim Accord.

My response was that why would you accept our admission to these clubs under an acronym - AT BEST. His reply was that the Macedonians "are legally bound by it". I.E, they have no choice.

Does it preclude Macedonia from pursuing remedies at the U.N and being admitted to that organization under their constitutional name? NO.

Whether you want to believe that it was Meto Koloski calling for a name change, or the President of UMD calling for a name change - I think we know where people in this UMD organization stand.

At this stage I can see too many contradictions in this organization. I don't trust them yet.

Pelister · 02-09-2010, 10:30 PM

Volk,

It might have helped you if you had actually read my post. I did ask questions.

My first impression, as I said is that I think Meto is a conman.

My main problem with the UMD organization is that that organization has over the years supported and defended too many anti-Macedonian institutions and structures - to be in the clear for mine.

Now back to the meeting, UMD "said" that they are open to other ideas, and happy to express different points of view.

I spoke to Meto briefly and he said the same thing. I believe this is a good thing. I told him I am critical of them, and he was happy to listen. So it was constructive. I appreciate and respect that.

But I was NOT convinced for a moment that UMD has changed the policy it has had since it was founded.

UMD and Meto have defened the current political processes since day one. They have been defending the talks, defending the E.U, pushing for our accession through these talks - and calling for a name change. Has that policy changed?

I couldn't be so easily deflected and beguiled by the smooth and professional presentation.

Like I said it left me feeling hopeful and good.

Meto is a masterful speaker and he was telling me all the good that UMD were doing in our communities, but we were on different planets. I was talking to him personally about the critical issues facing ALL Macedonians, all over the world past, present and future - and he wasn't.

We are at a stage now where a few individuals in the Macedonian government can sign away our identity forever !

How did we get to this stage?

Whether it was Meto personally calling for a name change, or UMD calling for a name change - I think we now where the top brass of this organization stand.

I wasn't convinced.

Prolet · 02-09-2010, 10:30 PM

Pelister, you are from Perth?

Rogi · 02-09-2010, 11:26 PM

He is from Canberra, he said that in an earlier post.

Homer MakeDonski · 02-10-2010, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Buktop

Great that's one person not from Australia... Where are you from Bratot?

I am not saying it is an Australian conspiracy, but you cannot deny the fact that a majority of the anti-UMD sentiment is coming from Australia, any reasonable person can see that...

I would like to add
Thank you my Macedonians brothers from Australia for all your explanations and comments over UMD rotary policy.
As I understood UMD has picked up a side against Macedonian name,against Macedonians patriotism, against Macedonians ...
standing by next to theirs US Foreign Office Mecenas.
probably even more of it UMD is trying to became one of theirs tool.
I have a question.
Why Meto Koloski made a trip to visit Macedo-Australian community?
To let you know how much he loves you?
From now on..and until they came back to the Macedonian Ideology roots ..

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02-09-2010, 09:34 PM	#2315
Vangelovski Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,520	Bringing this thread back on topic, I think we have a clear majority opinion, that the Press Release in question amounts to UMD support for the Framework Agreement. __________________ If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14 The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

02-09-2010, 10:30 PM	#2317
Pelister Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 2,742	Volk, It might have helped you if you had actually read my post. I did ask questions. My first impression, as I said is that I think Meto is a conman. My main problem with the UMD organization is that that organization has over the years supported and defended too many anti-Macedonian institutions and structures - to be in the clear for mine. Now back to the meeting, UMD "said" that they are open to other ideas, and happy to express different points of view. I spoke to Meto briefly and he said the same thing. I believe this is a good thing. I told him I am critical of them, and he was happy to listen. So it was constructive. I appreciate and respect that. But I was NOT convinced for a moment that UMD has changed the policy it has had since it was founded. UMD and Meto have defened the current political processes since day one. They have been defending the talks, defending the E.U, pushing for our accession through these talks - and calling for a name change. Has that policy changed? I couldn't be so easily deflected and beguiled by the smooth and professional presentation. Like I said it left me feeling hopeful and good. Meto is a masterful speaker and he was telling me all the good that UMD were doing in our communities, but we were on different planets. I was talking to him personally about the critical issues facing ALL Macedonians, all over the world past, present and future - and he wasn't. We are at a stage now where a few individuals in the Macedonian government can sign away our identity forever ! How did we get to this stage? Whether it was Meto personally calling for a name change, or UMD calling for a name change - I think we now where the top brass of this organization stand. I wasn't convinced.

02-09-2010, 10:30 PM	#2318
Prolet Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 5,241	Pelister, you are from Perth?

02-09-2010, 11:26 PM	#2319
Rogi Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,343	He is from Canberra, he said that in an earlier post.

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