United Macedonia Diaspora

[Vangelovski]

Mitreski,

Further, how do you explain Meto's other "youthfull" statements regarding name changes - particularly his written ones where he had time to consider what he was writing before posting his comments, such as the one below on Macedonian Media Monitor.

Here, Meto again argues in favour of a "political modifier" if "all else fails" for the sake of the EU and NATO. Well, Meto, most Macedonians would rather NOT join the EU and NATO if "all else fails".

"We have to be realistic, Macedonia if it wants to join NATO and EU it has to join under a modified name for those organizations ONLY.

How happy are you that we are called "The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" in NATO, UN, and EU? I'm not....wouldn't you prefer us to be called something like Democratic Republic of Macedonia instead, IF ALL ELSE FAILS, of course? I sure would. However, until all else fails, our position is double formula".

Meto Koloski
13 March 2008
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Macedo.../message/10565

[Warrior]

Originally Posted by amitreski

SOM

Again, Pelister has taken many statements out of context, twisted them and spun them around.

What I was trying to say to him, and I try to eliminate ambiguity.

Macedonia was vetoed in Bucharest. This was a great oportunity for Macedonia to walk out of the negotiations with pride and "krenati glavi". Greece violated the agreement by blocking the entry of Macedonia in an international decision. That's what I would have liked to happen. The government did not do that, and all questions regarding why they didn't can be directed to them.

If we continued to "negotiate" then Macedonia should have used its oportunity to display the Greek xenophobic, discriminatory policy on Macedonia. Macedonia should have displayed how Greece would do anything to harm Macedonia's EuroAtlantic Integration. And in general, Macedonia should have pointed out the intransigent party, since Greece commonly refers to Macedonia as such to foreign diplomats.

What happened was Macedonia started investing in monuments that were used to harm our public image to international diplomats. In my meetings with International diplomats that was relayed to me. That Macedonia was nationalistic, that Macedonia wanted to attack Greece, etc. To walk out of meetings and be told that Macedonia is a terrible neighbor just for planning to build a monument opposite to what Greece has been doing to Macedonia is appalling. This is all bullshit, but shows how polished the Greek diplomacy is. We just did not seize the moment. I have no problem about these monuments, just questioning the timing and hoped we were more strategic.

In terms of negotiations, I just said what Nimetz said in a public forum. Macedonia is not required to negotiate, but if Macedonia wants to join EU, NATO etc, then those are the conditions. So he is right, if the government of Macedonia does not want to join EU and NATO we can walk out of these negotiations. Unfortunately, (it is not UMD's fault) the entry in these organizations seems to be conditioned on the negotiations process.

If the government of the Republic of Macedonia stopped the negotiations, UMD would be the first to applaud this decision.

Now, where is UMD's fault in all this?

Everybody is frustrated with the position in which Macedonia is put. We should not negotiate for our name and identity. That is something that has been part of the Macedonians for several millenniums. I am quite proud of the Macedonian history, especially the antic era, with Philip and Alexander at the helm of the Macedonian Kingdom.

Your above statements basically says, that the UMD relays information from the maco government and also the international diplomats. What good is that of a so called non-government group? Where are the true honest views of UMD? It seems everytime you guys are questioned about some press release and its content, you dont take ownership of that release and basically suggest that it was influenced by other bodies or the political situation in RoM. You flow in the same direction as the government and also western bodies that are destabilizing RoM.

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by Warrior

Your above statements basically says, that the UMD relays information from the maco government and also the international diplomats. What good is that of a so called non-government group? Where are the true honest views of UMD? It seems everytime you guys are questioned about some press release and its content, you dont take ownership of that release and basically suggest that it was influenced by other bodies or the political situation in RoM. You flow in the same direction as the government and also western bodies that are destabilizing RoM.

I think we have a BINGO!

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by amitreski

UMD Has never taken a stand against WMC. Stop lying.

Mitreski, maybe UMD hasn't taken a stand against the WMC, but the "young" Meto certainly did in his post on Macedonian Media Monitor, dated 3 April 2003:

What activites does the World Macedonian Congress and World Macedonian Youth Congress do in regards to Macedonia besides send long e-mails, which most of us get through the direct sources (newspapers) themselves?...

...As far as I know WMC and WMYC are non-active in the US and Canada and nor are the Macedonians living in North America fond of these two groups. They have caused more problems amongst our community in NJ then helped solve the problems as they claimed they would do by uniting the community.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MacedonianMediaMonitor/message/1634

[Soldier of Macedon]

How has he been caught red handed? Are you also trying to imply that Pelister did not produce the same email to us, that was sent to him by Mitreski?

[Warrior]

Well done to UMD for organising this event. It seems like a success, hopefully they endevour to organise more of these events in the future, as they can only be an assistance to the maco exposure.

[Vangelovski]

Let me throw in something here that does not require the corroboration of private correspondence.

On 17 March 2008, Manevski** wrote the following - a largely disingenuous and scaremongering attempt to support Meto's "political modifier":

Let me ask you this? What will you choose?

People in Macedonia dying and starving or “Democratic Republic of Macedonia”?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Macedo.../message/10643

**EDIT - I mistakenly stated that this was posted by Aleksandar Mitreski - it was actually a statement by Denis Manevski, UMD Treasurer. I have corrected it above.

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by Risto the Great

No they won't. We already have confirmation the UMD chooses to ignore historical arguments. It is policy for them apparently.

That's weird, they've entered the historical debate before...

[Bill77]

How far fetched is this statement "People in Macedonia dying and starving" oh please. How are we suposed to take these people serious with bull shit like this.

[Buktop]

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

Mitreski, maybe UMD hasn't taken a stand against the WMC, but the "young" Meto certainly did in his post on Macedonian Media Monitor, dated 3 April 2003:

He had every right to state his disapproval of the actions of WMC in regards to the NJ community, just as you are stating your disapproval of UMD activities, this by no means makes it UMD policy.