United Macedonia Diaspora - Page 184

Prolet · 01-27-2010, 07:00 AM

Phoenix, Right now at this time in this current situation there is no name change and it shouldnt be discussed at all. Wheres our dostoinstvo??

Phoenix, Dont be so hard on Buktop i think its better to educate people rather then to have a go at them, Buktop is a good bloke and there is no need to be so upset with him. We all have our opinion but we need to be united, we already have people inside especially those in the media who are openly pushing for name changes, we have arseholes who are purposely bringing fear into the people so they are forced to make a decision that will affect everybody including us in the Diaspora.

Phoenix, I urge you to watch the Mirka Velinovska interview on A2, she makes Sarma out of those Komunjari.

Prolet · 01-27-2010, 07:07 AM

Rogi, If you where forced to make a choice what would it be?? You can act tough if you like but im talking about the reality here if we were forced to choose, like i mentioned earlier i would rather get my head chopped off then go for a name change. 3 years ago we where in a terrible situation we where very poor and our backs where against the wall, now its not the case and like 95% of the Macedonians say that they'd only enter EU and Nato as Republic of Macedonia and as Macedonians thats it if they dont like it then they can fuck off.

SOM, Alot has changed since that last interview for Za Makedonskite Raboti, we are in a much better situation then were then. The scare mongering from the Opposition failed and we are still breathing now the momentum is on our side and no there will be no name change, ke padni krv ako treba za ova but some things are just non negotiable and our name and identity is definitely in that category.

Makedonija ke bidi Vechna, Neka Puknat Dushmanite!!

Soldier of Macedon · 01-27-2010, 07:09 AM

Prolet, there is never, nor was there ever, a time for a name change.

Prolet, why would you capitulate if you are weak?

Prolet, how can they 'force' us if we refuse to enter their organisations?

Prolet, what has changed?

Vangelovski · 01-27-2010, 07:16 AM

Prolet,

You're a rollercoaster.

Prolet · 01-27-2010, 07:24 AM

SOM, Remember if you are forced to change it, we are not forced we are advised to change it and we wont change it its as simple as that. Now that there is a recession and half of europe went close to bankrupt things changed alot and now with Greece Owing more then anybody else in the EU the burden just got heavier for them. When the EU and Nato have enough of the Greek Bulling and plus the heavy debt that they have to pay they will start thinking differently.

SOM, Back then we had threats of war put up against us, that we wont exist as a country, that the Albanians will take over, that we would be split up etc etc We worst part is over now whatever happens we wont be changing our name its that simple.

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Prolet, what has changed?

SOM, We have people with Balls fighting for our name thats whats changed, our citizens are sick and tired of being pushed around so is our diaspora and we are fighting back. We are making counter demands which was something we never did before, we asked about our minority in Egejska Makedonija and we asked for our church to be recognized.

Rogi · 01-27-2010, 07:34 AM

I'm not sure what you mean by 'forced to choose'? Forced to choose what? A change in the name?

We cannot be forced and especially not 'forced to choose' (that's not a choice). If they could force us, they would have.

We can always say NO and then deal with whatever consequences it takes, to defend the Macedonian identity.

By the way, now is as good a time as any to get out of the negotiations with minimal assumed 'repercussions', when Greece is at the mercy of its' economic problems and the misguided fear some have of an 'economic blockade' is near impossible.

Soldier of Macedon · 01-27-2010, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Prolet

SOM, We have people with Balls fighting for our name thats whats changed, our citizens are sick and tired of being pushed around so is our diaspora and we are fighting back. We are making counter demands which was something we never did before, we asked about our minority in Egejska Makedonija and we asked for our church to be recognized.

Let me get this right, because we didn't have leaders with balls, because we weren't yet sick of being pushed around, because we hadn't make counter-demands - basically, because we were at a weak state - you would rather have capitulated by accepting a name other than the (Republic of) Macedonia? You would rather have fallen to the ground than fight to the end?

Prolet, you're starting to sound like Meto, and you know how he sounds.

Prolet · 01-27-2010, 07:55 AM

SOM, If we where forced to change our name, we are not forced im sure you would answer the question too if you where forced to make a choice.

Back then SOM we where in Limbo, we didnt know if we would exist as a country i've never pushed for a name change and im not planning on pushing now, i've made myself clear on that. Its a pointless discussion because the Greeks would never accept it, why are we arguing for?? We know what the Greeks are like and we have a tough fight on our hands.

Meto is not the problem here, we need an organization like the UMD that will promote our country and gain support for us in the Diaspora. Weather its the UMD or somebody else we need somebody, we dont have a choice the Greeks are paying over a hundred Million Dollars to wipe us out how do we defend ourselves?

Soldier of Macedon · 01-27-2010, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Rogi

By the way, now is as good a time as any to get out of the negotiations with minimal assumed 'repercussions', when Greece is at the mercy of its' economic problems and the misguided fear some have of an 'economic blockade' is near impossible.

That is a very good point Rogi.

How magnificent would it be if there was an organisation in the Macedonian Diaspora that could advocate for such a move to the Macedonian Government?

Rogi · 01-27-2010, 08:01 AM

Prolet,

I have a more important question for you, which is related to the one you're asking, though at a higher ideological level. Answer this question first, to see whether it is worth answering your question or not...

What is the purpose of the existence of an independent Republic of Macedonia?

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01-27-2010, 07:09 AM	#1833
Soldier of Macedon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Outpost Posts: 13,660	Prolet, there is never, nor was there ever, a time for a name change. Prolet, why would you capitulate if you are weak? Prolet, how can they 'force' us if we refuse to enter their organisations? Prolet, what has changed? __________________ In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

01-27-2010, 07:16 AM	#1834
Vangelovski Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,521	Prolet, You're a rollercoaster. __________________ If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14 The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

01-27-2010, 07:34 AM	#1836
Rogi Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,343	I'm not sure what you mean by 'forced to choose'? Forced to choose what? A change in the name? We cannot be forced and especially not 'forced to choose' (that's not a choice). If they could force us, they would have. We can always say NO and then deal with whatever consequences it takes, to defend the Macedonian identity. By the way, now is as good a time as any to get out of the negotiations with minimal assumed 'repercussions', when Greece is at the mercy of its' economic problems and the misguided fear some have of an 'economic blockade' is near impossible. Last edited by Rogi; 01-27-2010 at 07:40 AM.

01-27-2010, 07:00 AM	#1831
Prolet Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 5,241	Phoenix, Right now at this time in this current situation there is no name change and it shouldnt be discussed at all. Wheres our dostoinstvo?? Phoenix, Dont be so hard on Buktop i think its better to educate people rather then to have a go at them, Buktop is a good bloke and there is no need to be so upset with him. We all have our opinion but we need to be united, we already have people inside especially those in the media who are openly pushing for name changes, we have arseholes who are purposely bringing fear into the people so they are forced to make a decision that will affect everybody including us in the Diaspora. Phoenix, I urge you to watch the Mirka Velinovska interview on A2, she makes Sarma out of those Komunjari.

01-27-2010, 07:07 AM	#1832
Prolet Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 5,241	Rogi, If you where forced to make a choice what would it be?? You can act tough if you like but im talking about the reality here if we were forced to choose, like i mentioned earlier i would rather get my head chopped off then go for a name change. 3 years ago we where in a terrible situation we where very poor and our backs where against the wall, now its not the case and like 95% of the Macedonians say that they'd only enter EU and Nato as Republic of Macedonia and as Macedonians thats it if they dont like it then they can fuck off. SOM, Alot has changed since that last interview for Za Makedonskite Raboti, we are in a much better situation then were then. The scare mongering from the Opposition failed and we are still breathing now the momentum is on our side and no there will be no name change, ke padni krv ako treba za ova but some things are just non negotiable and our name and identity is definitely in that category. Makedonija ke bidi Vechna, Neka Puknat Dushmanite!!

01-27-2010, 07:55 AM	#1838
Prolet Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 5,241	SOM, If we where forced to change our name, we are not forced im sure you would answer the question too if you where forced to make a choice. Back then SOM we where in Limbo, we didnt know if we would exist as a country i've never pushed for a name change and im not planning on pushing now, i've made myself clear on that. Its a pointless discussion because the Greeks would never accept it, why are we arguing for?? We know what the Greeks are like and we have a tough fight on our hands. Meto is not the problem here, we need an organization like the UMD that will promote our country and gain support for us in the Diaspora. Weather its the UMD or somebody else we need somebody, we dont have a choice the Greeks are paying over a hundred Million Dollars to wipe us out how do we defend ourselves?

01-27-2010, 08:01 AM	#1840
Rogi Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,343	Prolet, I have a more important question for you, which is related to the one you're asking, though at a higher ideological level. Answer this question first, to see whether it is worth answering your question or not... What is the purpose of the existence of an independent Republic of Macedonia?

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