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Old 01-14-2010, 10:07 PM   #1401
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Read it again. Yes, I was on the "Board" at that time, and that should give you a clue as to the usurpation of power in the Washington HQ, which Rogi alluded to.
Your tactics are similar to Pelisters. I love it. Do you see where it states they represent ALL MACEDONIANS AROUND THE WORLD LIKE YOU CLAIM???? I don't. I see that it states that it represents Macedonians all over the world. That can be some, a few hundred, a few thousand, tens of thousands. But it does not mean ALL.
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Old 01-14-2010, 10:07 PM   #1402
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Ah yes it would be unethical. Yet it's ethical to go on a public forum and make such a strong claim that would eventually make the UMD fold and close its doors if it were true. Until you agree to the terms then I call bull
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UMD made its own public statements, which can only be taken as an accurate reflection of what UMD stands for.

If I made a 'strong claim' based on the public evidence available, well thank you )
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Charlatan,

Thats Rogi's view on the by-laws - mine is different.

In all the organisations I've help found and written constitutions for (mostly Canberra/Queanbyean based), they've all had temporary management committees until their constitutions were adopted and their organisation was registered. Once these two actions were undertaken they held elections. None of these have taken more than 6-12 months from the time the organisation's inception to the time of elections - registration and constitutional processes included. Now, I understand sometimes things take longer, but 7 YEARS for the FIRST election? And for an organisation that claims to have 4,000 fee paying members and claims to represent the ENTIRE diaspora? That does not sound reasonable to me.
None of your little pool-hall clubs have ever left their backyards, UMD spans 3 continents, with their members coming from all over the world, not just some hall in Canberra/Queanbyean. This alone makes the process of holding elections a little more difficult.
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Old 01-14-2010, 10:09 PM   #1404
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Read it again. Yes, I was on the "Board" at that time, and that should give you a clue as to the usurpation of power in the Washington HQ, which Rogi alluded to.
usurpation of power in washington hq?

read this:

http://umdiaspora.org/content/view/31/67/

Board of Directors and Officers
Metodija A. Koloski, President

Aleksandar Mitreski, Vice President

Michael A. Sarafin, Secretary

Denis Manevski, Treasurer

Ordan Andreevski, Director, Australian Operations

Jim Daikos, Director, Canadian Operations


Boban Jovanovski, Director, Policy Planning

Ivona M. Grimberg, Director, Economic Development Program

Stojan Nikolov, Director

Aleksandra Trpkovska, Director, The Fund for Macedonian Children

Mark Branov, UMD Voice

looks like there are 2 board who are outside of washington hq. and if umd was only washington hq, why is umd on tour of australia in february? and vangelovski, why is the umd global conference in toronto this year and not washington hq? im confused.
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Charlatan,

Seeing as you know my entire CV, please remind me which pool-halls I've helped establish, what their geographical expansion is and how many members they have.
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once again just wasting space and time because you have no argument. How about we go a few posts back and see exactly what I was saying, and compare it to article 8 of the constitution and see who is a charlatan...

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usurpation of power in washington hq?

read this:

http://umdiaspora.org/content/view/31/67/

Board of Directors and Officers
Metodija A. Koloski, President

Aleksandar Mitreski, Vice President

Michael A. Sarafin, Secretary

Denis Manevski, Treasurer

Ordan Andreevski, Director, Australian Operations

Jim Daikos, Director, Canadian Operations

Boban Jovanovski, Director, Policy Planning

Ivona M. Grimberg, Director, Economic Development Program

Stojan Nikolov, Director

Aleksandra Trpkovska, Director, The Fund for Macedonian Children

Mark Branov, UMD Voice

looks like there are 2 board who are outside of washington hq. and if umd was only washington hq, why is umd on tour of australia in february? and vangelovski, why is the umd global conference in toronto this year and not washington hq? im confused.
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You're a confused individual. Maybe you should join the UMD Board, find out how it works for yourself, then come back here and post on the topic. Two Baord members - WOW!!! At the time I left, about 40% of UMD members were from Australia - how does 2 out of 11 reflect that?
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umd has a branch in australia: http://umdiaspora.org/content/view/421/127/

and umd has a volunter staff in australia: http://umdiaspora.org/content/view/422/130/

Our Australian Volunteer Staff

Ordan Andreevski, Director of Australian Operations

B.A Urban Studies, Grad. Dip. Planning, Master of Business Marketing (Monash)


Ljupco Stankovski, Editor in Chief, Australian Macedonian Weekly

Zoran Milenkovski
, UMD Co-founder

Zoran has a Masters (IT Project Mgmt.) from RMIT and has experience in IT project management and network/communications management. In addition, Zoran has worked with companies including MayneGroup, Armaguard, Toll Logistics, SKAI Systems. Zoran also is a share holder and board member of Chinese technology company www.qnite.com.

Anthony Laskovski, PhD Candidate, University of Newcastle

sounds to me umd has an educated bunch involved.
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Charlatan,

How about you READ the entire thread. How about you learn the basics of constitutionalism and republicanism and then read the Macedonian constitution.

How about you test your "theories" with a law professor or a political philosophy professor?
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That all said, my motivation and enthusiasm and dedication to work for the Macedonian Cause is in no way lowered.

In fact it is at its' peak - I want the Macedonian Cause to be defined and adopted by the Macedonian Parliament, I didn't waste my time writing that initial draft, that will end up being a historic document. In 100 years, if anybody wants to dispute who the Macedonians were and what they stood for, they'll be destroyed by the definition of the Macedonian Cause which lays it all out.
Your aim/idea has merit but is not original, as you can see below:

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Македонска национална програма
Споделете ја веста

Предлог на Тодор Петров,
не беше прифатена од македонскиот парламент
7-8 август 1993 година
Скопје, Македонија
(1) Македонскиот народ врз основа на правото на секој народ на самоопределување има неприкосновено природно, историско и цивилизациско право на сопствена, слободна, суверена, самостојна и независна држава Македонија.
(2) Македонија е национална држава на македонскиот народ.
(3) Носител на државноста во државата Македонија е македонскиот народ.
(4) Во Македонија службен јазик е македонскиот јазик и неговото кирилско писмо.
(5) Македонскиот народ нема никогаш, под какви и да е услови и од чија и да е страна, да го промени или да прифати промена на единственото многувековно име на својата држава Македонија, нераскинливо поврзано со името на македонскиот народ.
Македонскиот народ ги отфрла сите додавки пред и после името на неговата Македонска држава, бидејќи истото се состои само од еден единствен збор - Македонија.
(6) Обврска и чест на секој Македонец, по род и државјанство од Македонија и од целиот свет е да ги брани и одбрани самостојноста, интегритетот и името на Македонија и на македонскиот народ и нација.
(7) Македонија мора да го преземе членството во меѓународните органи, организации и заедници и во Обединетите Нации под своето единствено и многувековно име Македонија.
Македонија и македонскиот народ ја прифаќаат Повелбата на Обединетите Нации.
(8) Македонскиот народ нема никогаш да се откаже, ниту ќе прифати кој и да е во негово име да се откаже од неговите државни, земски и национални симболи - шеснаесет-зрачното златно-жолто сонце и златно-жолтиот двоопаш лав на црвен штит - и целосно го отфрла прифаќањето и наметнувањето на референцата Поранешна Југословенска Република Македонија или што и да е друго, макар и привремено, освен единственото и многувековно име на сопствената држава - Македонија.
Македонија нема никаков спор во врска со своето име со никого, а најмалку со соседна Грција, ниту пак Македонците кога и да е досега го менувале своето единствено име, како што тоа го правеле Атињаните со нивното име.
Впрочем, Македонија никогаш не била грчка, а Македонците никогаш не биле Грци.

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http://www.mn.mk/feljton/580-Makedon...alna-programa-

Makedonska Nacionalna Programa (SMK- 1993) - Macedonian National Program (WMC - 1993)
http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...ead.php?t=2348
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