United Macedonia Diaspora

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by blackcactus

May I make a suggestion that UMD and other organisational posts be moved to a subforum called Organisations or something similar

This will clear up the mess on the main page, and allow anyone wanting to see all organistional posts together, or avoid them if they so choose


PS: Hi Vangelovski, everything you bolded above could be seen in any number of ways, and for any number of reasons depending on your strategic leanings. I don't feel doing this is helpful because it has no way of getting consensus and will only generate ill feeling between all of us, which is not wise

Regards

blackcactus

Consensus? Over what? What name we should change to?

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Risto the Great

I believe the recent events portraying Australian Macedonians as the redneck hillbilly type of Macedonians who should not be involved in policy making helped build this mob mentality.

I agree that many UMD broadcasts are probably being taken out of context nowadays.



I disagree that the questioning process started from any Maknews attacks on the Australian Macedonian Diaspora.

Some questions had been raised by me over 1 year ago here:
http://macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=558
and this one 7 months ago:
http://macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1300

To date, Meto simply has not reconciled his public statements with that of UMD policy. How could any normal person NOT develop sinister connotations when this line of questioning has persisted for at least over 1 year?

Risto I agree that many people have been raising concerns about UMD policy for a long time, this has been building steam...I just think that some of the unfortunate remarks at places like Maknews have been the proverbial shit hitting the fan...

If UMD were a nimble, proactive organization they would evolve with this current process, to become a better organization that has its finger on the pulse, instead UMD has failed and has allowed its brand to diminish leaving the fight to a few cheerleaders.

[blackcactus]

^Consensus on what we have read and it's meaning

[Rogi]

It's my personal opinion. I can no longer speak for UMD, since I resigned from the Board.

But I think the point I made above is what creates some unnecessary confusion, because of the different views/definitions of terms like 'solution'.

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by blackcactus

^Consensus on what we have read and it's meaning

And by highlighting UMDs support for the Interim Accord and Framework Agreement, you feel this is undermining what they "really" want to say?

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by Rogi

It's my personal opinion. I can no longer speak for UMD, since I resigned from the Board.

But I think the point I made above is what creates some unnecessary confusion, because of the different views/definitions of terms like 'solution'.

There's definitely some confusion around what UMD means by "solution", particularly when you look at its President's statements and their Press Releases.

Rogi, if I may ask, why did you resign from the Board?

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

I used to refer to him as a "charlatan". One definition of this is: a person who pretends to more knowledge or skill than he or she possesses.

Vangelovski, "charlatan" is good...I guess a man should understand his limitations...

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by blackcactus

May I make a suggestion that UMD and other organisational posts be moved to a subforum called Organisations or something similar

This will clear up the mess on the main page, and allow anyone wanting to see all organistional posts together, or avoid them if they so choose


PS: Hi Vangelovski, everything you bolded above could be seen in any number of ways, and for any number of reasons depending on your strategic leanings. I don't feel doing this is helpful because it has no way of getting consensus and will only generate ill feeling between all of us, which is not wise

Regards

blackcactus

Not a silly idea BC

[blackcactus]

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

And by highlighting UMDs support for the Interim Accord and Framework Agreement, you feel this is undermining what they "really" want to say?

Maybe

Our personal strategies for Macedonia give it meanings that others can not or wont see, therefor it generates an argument that can not be solved

If we need proof, firstly look at actual work done, and achievements, then look at clear black and white statements from the organisation it self, then individuals next (as they can make mistakes and miscalls)

But firstly it's the results and/or work done that counts the most, watch carefully, which I'm sure you will

Cheers

BC

PS: I'm just talking here, I'm no authority, so take what I say lightly, Just do what you feel is best for Macedonia wisely

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by blackcactus

Maybe

Our personal strategies for Macedonia give it meanings that others can not or wont see, therefor it generates an argument that can not be solved

If we need proof, firstly look at actual work done, and achievements, then look at clear black and white statements from the organisation it self, then individuals next (as they can make mistakes and miscalls)

But firstly it's the results and/or work done that counts the most, watch carefully, which I'm sure you will

Cheers

BC

PS: I'm just talking here, I'm no authority, so take what I say lightly, Just do what you feel is best for Macedonia wisely

I was a co-founder of UMD, I'm quite aware of what the thinking is in the organisation.