Greece, History, Truth

[Ottoman]

The only Greek history I know is this.

[Risto the Great]

Was that the script the Turks used back in 1453 Ottoman?
I have no idea what you are trying to say here mate.
Greeks have a history, so do Macedonians and so do Turks.
Thankfully none of them stopped.

[Ottoman]

Of course not, Constantine XI the last Byzantine Emperor fell to the Ottoman Sultan Mehmed II.

Mehmed II declared himself as the new caesar of Rome.

The fall of Constantinople is a painful wound in Greek history.

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by Ottoman

Mehmed II declared himself as the new caesar of Rome.

Do you have more information about this? Any proof of his exact wording? It is consistent with the people calling themselves Romans however.

Originally Posted by Ottoman

The fall of Constantinople is a painful wound in Greek history.

I am not convinced it was as painful to Greeks (at the time) as you are suggesting. It might be painful now but revisionism is common amongst victors.

[Ottoman]

My big question is this:

Would you like to live in the Byzantine Empire under the rude rule of Constantine XI?

http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/3602/alosis05.jpg

Or you prefer a life in the Ottoman Empire under the rule of Mehmed II who tolerated other religions?

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/4518/mehmedii.jpg

After Mehmed II sacked Constantinopel his army wanted to destory it but he halted his troops and gave the surviving people a chance to start a new life as Ottomans. Constantinopel just never changed, because Mehmed II respected it too much.

[George S.]

From meeting greeks they regard costantinople as greek & many of them go on a pilgrimage to instanbul.But they do admit things were actually better under mehmed II.Funny how the greeks think that they regard it as theirs still & how they live in fantasyland.
The thing is you can never trust a greek where as in macedonian you have friend for life.

[Agamoi Thytai]

Originally Posted by Pelister

Who are the New Greeks?



MODERN GREEKS.
Daily News (London, England), Friday, November 3, 1854; Issue 2639

An Englishman Greek-hater attacks Greeks in the time of the Crimean War,because Greek volunteers fought alongside the Russians against the allied armies of England,France and Turkey?England and France even sent troops to occupy the port of Piraeus for 3 years (1854-1857)
http://books.google.com/books?id=H5p...%20war&f=false

[Agamoi Thytai]

Originally Posted by Ottoman

The only Greek history I know is this.

Too bad to confuse history with footbal.This banner was not a proper thing to do,epsecially the inscription,"Death for you".
http://www.antu.com/images/media/wal...e1453_1024.jpg

[Agamoi Thytai]

Originally Posted by Ottoman

My big question is this:

Would you like to live in the Byzantine Empire under the rude rule of Constantine XI?

http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/3602/alosis05.jpg

Or you prefer a life in the Ottoman Empire under the rule of Mehmed II who tolerated other religions?

Sure,Mehmed II was famous for his "tolerance".You can ask the last Byzantine Grand Duke Lukas Notaras for this:
http://books.google.com/books?id=BAz...%20son&f=false
Ottomans "tolerated" Christians because it was the Christians who had to pay all the taxes,it's as simple as 1+1=2!No Christians=Decreased incomes for the Ottoman state.However despite this "tolerance" speaking in general terms,there are many cases of individual Christians having being executed for refusing to converst to Islam,or being forced to become Muslims:
http://books.google.com/books?id=4gN...lefish&f=false
Why did the "tolerant" Ottomans put to death any Muslim who converted to Christianity?
http://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks...20b09f3a55f2f5

[Onur]

Originally Posted by Agamoi Thytai

Ottomans "tolerated" Christians because it was the Christians who had to pay all the taxes,it's as simple as 1+1=2!No Christians=Decreased incomes for the Ottoman state.However despite this "tolerance" speaking in general terms,there are many cases of individual Christians having being executed for refusing to converst to Islam,or being forced to become Muslims:

You Greeks couldn't clear up these contradictions nearly for 200 years. You better decide which one you gonna use as anti-Turkish propaganda; Turks needed christians for taxes OR Turks forced Christians to convert as muslims???? If you claim both, then you contradict with yourself!!!

Sure,Mehmed II was famous for his "tolerance".You can ask the last Byzantine Grand Duke Lukas Notaras for this:

http://books.google.com/books?id=BAz...%20son&f=false

You really believe this crap??? without a quote, footnote, source from 1453 AD???

I really mean it, you Greeks really believe that Mehmet II conquered istanbul just to fck some 14 year old royal Greek asses??? Whatta stupid story this is; World`s strongest and wealthiest leader of 15th century openly asks for 14 year old Greek boys to fck in the ass at the royal court and poor Greeks suffers, right??!!! You were going to make me cry with this dude, poor Greeks, just like the Jesus Christ, innocent ones, oww, how sad!!!

Bunch of nomadic barbarians invades constantinople, then they rape your pretty asses and destroy beautiful Hellenic culture...These barbarians had no language, no culture, one eyed blood drinking monsters oppressing the innocent ones, just like the story of Jesus Christ.... this is what you have been told since primary schools??? right?


Also, one wonders why Greeks always make up stories like that without a proof and write countless books with it instead of turning back 200 years more to 13th century and write the true story of the siege of constantinople by Catholics. You don't need to make up stupid stories like that either cuz everything is written by Byzantines and Latins themselves; Close to 50.000 people massacred in constantinople and whole city burned by them and then everyone gone exile from there, city turned into a ghost town. Byzantine emperor gone exile and asked for help from the Turks. Whores sat down to throne and crusaders set up gang bang party in Hagia Sophia. Frescoes damaged in the church and all mosaics covered up with human feces. Famous library of constantinople has been burned and several monuments has been stolen and gone to Rome, Venice etc. Then Byzantines took back the city with the help of Turks who also protected exiled monarchy.

Why you guys doesn't write all these events?? It`s 100% truth unlike your stupid stories about Mehmet II. OR this doesn't fit to your current political policy??? so you concentrate on usual "blame the Turks for everything" policy???