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  • Vangelovski
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 8531

    Originally posted by vicsinad View Post
    So then what are these numerous achievements that UMD accomplished from when it was founded until your resignation? And why, 8 months after your resignation, you claimed you could not speak for UMD's achievements when 8 months prior you said you could?
    Eight months later I was no longer a UMD rep - that was the context of the question. What's your point anyway? As usual you're not making any sense.
    If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

    The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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    • vicsinad
      Senior Member
      • May 2011
      • 2337

      Originally posted by Vangelovski View Post
      Eight months later I was no longer a UMD rep - that was the context of the question. What's your point anyway? As usual you're not making any sense.
      You made both statements when you were no longer a UMD rep (remember, you had already resigned).

      In chronological order, to help you out:

      1. You resign.
      2. You state UMD has done a great deal for the Macedonian Cause.
      3. You state you cannot speak to the achievements of the UMD.

      Even as no longer a rep, you were able to speak to the achievements the UMD had attained during a given time frame. What were those achievements?

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      • Vangelovski
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 8531

        Originally posted by vicsinad View Post
        You made both statements when you were no longer a UMD rep (remember, you had already resigned).

        In chronological order, to help you out:

        1. You resign.
        2. You state UMD has done a great deal for the Macedonian Cause.
        3. You state you cannot speak to the achievements of the UMD.

        Even as no longer a rep, you were able to speak to the achievements the UMD had attained during a given time frame. What were those achievements?
        They were completely different questions in completely different contexts. Further, the fact that some of the initial activities that the UMD undertook were quite useful does not change the fact that the have completely lost their way now. But, what is your point Victor!? You're not making any sense.
        If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

        The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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        • George S.
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2009
          • 10116

          vicsinan you need a reality check this is 2012.Why are we asking silly questions about the umd.Do any of us really care.Tom to his credit has explained to us what the umd is about.We have elected not to have anything to do with the umd.You are just boring us to death.How relevant is all this
          considering the many different views you have displayed here.The umd is totally irrelevant here at the MTO as far as i know i wouldn't even put up a topic as we all know about the umd.If you bother to read past threads you'll see the umd has been discussed ad nauseam.in one of the threads RTG even invited Meto to explain a few questions & since then the umd has not responded what does that say about the umd.?
          Personnaly i wouldn't touch the umd with a 10 foot pole yhey have become irrelevant.
          Last edited by George S.; 10-21-2012, 03:58 AM. Reason: ed
          "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
          GOTSE DELCEV

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          • vicsinad
            Senior Member
            • May 2011
            • 2337

            Originally posted by Vangelovski View Post
            They were completely different questions in completely different contexts. Further, the fact that some of the initial activities that the UMD undertook were quite useful does not change the fact that the have completely lost their way now. But, what is your point Victor!? You're not making any sense.
            What did the UMD do, prior to your resignation, that was "a great deal" with regards to the "Macedonian Cause?"

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            • George S.
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2009
              • 10116

              Vicsinad what dou see as the macedonias cause???So what difference does it make that the umd has strayed away from.Also is the umd representing the diaspora?like it should or not??
              "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
              GOTSE DELCEV

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              • Risto the Great
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 15658

                Originally posted by vicsinad View Post
                What did the UMD do, prior to your resignation, that was "a great deal" with regards to the "Macedonian Cause?"
                It was the first online organisation that captured the imagination of many Macedonians. I was one of their advocates until they couldn't even answer some very simple questions. What is your problem vicsinad? You can't answer some questions. In particular the one about your support for Badinter but not for the FA. Once people can't back up what they murmur, I lose respect for them. I did the same thing with UMD.
                Risto the Great
                MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                • Vangelovski
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 8531

                  Originally posted by vicsinad View Post
                  What did the UMD do, prior to your resignation, that was "a great deal" with regards to the "Macedonian Cause?"
                  It managed to pull together a lot of good Macedonians. All of them eventually left, but one. Not sure why he stays on.
                  If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                  The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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                  • George S.
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 10116

                    vicsinand i hear your a umd member & are you going to resign ? Why don''t you tell us how good or bad the umd is??
                    "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                    GOTSE DELCEV

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                    • Makedonska_Kafana
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2010
                      • 2642

                      Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
                      Once people can't back up what they murmur, I lose respect for them. I did the same thing with UMD.
                      MTO UMD 1 - YouTube

                      MTO UMD 2 - YouTube

                      http://www.makedonskakafana.com

                      Macedonia for the Macedonians

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                      • George S.
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 10116

                        yeah they were going to be all things to all macedonian people.But they forgot that some diaspora macedonians are smart & put two & two together.They worked out that umd was a shonk.THey only need people for their money.The rest doesn't matter.
                        "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                        GOTSE DELCEV

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                        • makedonche
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 3242

                          MK
                          Can you please stop posting evidence of incompetence.............people might actually learn the truth!
                          On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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                          • George S.
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 10116

                            well i don''t think vican has learned about umd incompetence otherwise he should desist from his silly questioning.The only place where it has sort of got an audience is the place where americans walk the walk & talk the talk.But once people find out the real truth they will be otathere in a flash.
                            "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                            GOTSE DELCEV

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                            • Makedonska_Kafana
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 2642

                              Originally posted by makedonche View Post
                              MK
                              Can you please stop posting evidence of incompetence.............people might actually learn the truth!
                              - Once, again the video's have been taken out of context.

                              Unknown
                              http://www.makedonskakafana.com

                              Macedonia for the Macedonians

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                              • vicsinad
                                Senior Member
                                • May 2011
                                • 2337

                                Originally posted by Vangelovski View Post
                                It managed to pull together a lot of good Macedonians. All of them eventually left, but one. Not sure why he stays on.
                                Easter service and a Macedonian convention can pull together a lot of good Macedonians. Is that all the UMD did (which, in your eyes, amounted to doing a great deal for the Macedonian Cause) before you resigned?

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