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  • George S.
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 10116

    I think next time there is a conflict the army should revolt.If a person cannot defends himself while they are shooting at them what's the world coming to.A man has a right/duty to defend themselves especially if the albanians want take our country away.The macedonian army is there to protect the country from the likes of the shiptars.I wonder if you can go to the hague for trying to defend yourself.It doesn't seem right our politicians ordering our soldiers not to fire at the shiptars.
    "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
    GOTSE DELCEV

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    • julie
      Senior Member
      • May 2009
      • 3869

      Originally posted by OziMak View Post
      I’ve been trying to loose some weight and limiting my chocolate and coca cola intake…my 2 vices…smoking and drinking don’t count…so I have had grumpy moment or two.
      The lack of caffeine in your diet is doing you good, you are speaking with clarity
      "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev

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      • Komita
        Member
        • May 2009
        • 243

        Originally posted by Phoenix View Post
        I agree almost 100%...the only point of difference is that I don't believe any foreign power can wipe us off the face of the map, only our politicians are capable of that.

        My greatest regret from 2001 was the total ineptitude of our political leadership which continues to poison our nation to this day.

        In 2001 the most defining moment of this ineptitude was seen in the battle for Aracinovo, I'm not a military historian by any stretch of the imagination but I doubt if there's another moment of embarrassment that would match the moment when hundreds of insurgents and their American instructors were safely escorted out of Aracinovo by the very organization that had trained them in the first place.

        Possibly one of the greatest successes of Macedonian special forces operations in our history was reduced to farcical proportions when bus after bus of cowering insurgents were escorted out of Aracinovo as elderly Macedonians threw rocks at the retreating NATO convoy.

        Not one 'rogue' element existed within our ranks to blow the shit out of that convoy, Americans and all...that act alone would have put Macedonia on the map, never to be removed...
        We could of lasted 2 weeks of NATO bombing, and this I base on the fact that the bosnian serb army even though better equipped lasted 2 weeks of NATO bombing in 1995.
        They hold a similar amount of population in Bosnia as we do in Macedonia, 1,3 - 1,5 million.
        And we would of controlled the majority of our territory which would of meant that if we went to the negotation table we would of had a better position.
        Слава му на Бога за се

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        • Big Bad Sven
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2009
          • 1528

          Originally posted by Komita View Post
          Our biggest mistake in 2001 was that we didnt go all the way, even if it meant that we would of been bombed by NATO and sanctions.
          Atleast it would of been written in the history books that a proud nation called macedonians once lived in the Balkans and vanished in their fight for a sovereign country instead of existing as a american protectorate controlled by an albanian minority.
          I agree 100% as well.

          The macedonians running the country and the military should of taken the plunge and FINISHED the job on that very day, even if it meant that they might have been sent of to the hague or whatever bullshit court.

          They would have gone down in history as true macedonian heroes and the ghegs would dare never try to do something like this again. Unfortunately the capitulation of 2001 has made the ghegs feel like they are invincible and that they can now do anything they want in macedonia, and it also signaled to the west that macedonians are push overs and weak.

          However, i personally dont think the US/NATO would bomb such a small country like macedonia the way they bombed belgrade, the worst they could do is support the ghegs more and put sanctions on macedonia - big deal.

          And anyway if they were to bomb macedonia (highly unlikely) it would be little to late for them as the macedonians would have finished the ghegs in one day.

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          • Volk
            Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 894

            What fantasies are you people dreaming about?

            Lets Re-cap who was running the show at the time:

            Crvenkovski
            Georgievski
            Buckovski
            Trajkovski
            Boskovski

            what heroics do you expect from such garbage?
            Makedonija vo Srce

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            • Risto the Great
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 15658

              Have we had any heroics since then?
              Risto the Great
              MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
              "Holding my breath for the revolution."

              Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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              • indigen
                Senior Member
                • May 2009
                • 1558

                Originally posted by Volk View Post
                What fantasies are you people dreaming about?

                Lets Re-cap who was running the show at the time:

                Crvenkovski
                Georgievski
                Buckovski
                Trajkovski
                Boskovski

                what heroics do you expect from such garbage?
                Crvenko, Bucko and Boskovski (was there but not as interior minister) came to the fore in beginning of May 2001 when the "Unity Government" was formed to implement "The Trajkovski Plan" (aka Ramkoven!) and UCK showed up at Tanusevci around 20 January 2001, though it was common knowledge they operated in RM long before that (In fact MVR knew they had bases there but ignored their existence for years!). Thus it was LjuBcho Georgievski and Dosta Dimovska (who were trying to Bulgarise Macedonians through the years of 1999-2000), partnered by Dzhaferi and Tachi (plus puppet President Trajkovski), that was running the scene when the UCK opened up action and it would be foolish to assume (or expect) that they would fight for the Macedonian Cause! Therefore, Mr Volk, I am in partial general agreement with your above deductions!

                But we now have a DILEMA - "BRANITELI" in LOYAL SERVICE to proven TRAITORS! Come back to me on this OXYMORON!
                Last edited by indigen; 04-01-2011, 01:44 AM.

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                • Volk
                  Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 894

                  Indigen, what is more sad is Georgievski and Boskovki are now running in the elections, whilst Crvenkovski is leading the 'opposition', then people wondered why I preferred VMRO... Now it is clear there is absolute no choice in the political parties... Even the 'radicals' are not as radical as they make out to be...
                  Makedonija vo Srce

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                  • indigen
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2009
                    • 1558

                    Originally posted by Volk View Post
                    Indigen, what is more sad is Georgievski and Boskovki are now running in the elections, whilst Crvenkovski is leading the 'opposition', then people wondered why I preferred VMRO... Now it is clear there is absolute no choice in the political parties... Even the 'radicals' are not as radical as they make out to be...
                    It would be worthwhile for those that were too young (or not interested then) to adequately observe the political scene in the run-up to the 2002 MK elections to go into online news archives and find out how many "Anti-Ramkovist" political parties sprung up and campaigned strongly on that platform and how NOW (and mostly since 2006) they are ALL MUTE on the issue or supporting and IMPLEMENTING the Ramkoven. Even Todor Petrov (and SMK) is (are) very MUTE these days. I am hard-pressed to see any political party or organisation in Mk that has an anti-Ramkovist platform today.

                    Mi izgleda deka Makedoncite vo RM si legnale na brashnoto i si ja prifatile sudbinata i chlenstvoto vo NATO i EU mnozhina go gledaat kako mozhnost za beganje od vistinata - zhalno!
                    Last edited by indigen; 02-28-2011, 10:35 PM.

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                    • Risto the Great
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 15658

                      Originally posted by indigen View Post
                      Mi izgleda deka Makedoncite vo RM si legnale na brashnoto i si ja prifatile sudbinata i chlenstvoto vo NATO i EU mnozhina go gledaat kako mozhnost za beganje od vistinata - zhalno!
                      Agreed, but that attitude will bite them hard.
                      Risto the Great
                      MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                      "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                      Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                      • Vangelovski
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 8531

                        Originally posted by Volk View Post
                        Indigen, what is more sad is Georgievski and Boskovki are now running in the elections, whilst Crvenkovski is leading the 'opposition', then people wondered why I preferred VMRO... Now it is clear there is absolute no choice in the political parties... Even the 'radicals' are not as radical as they make out to be...
                        I can' work Volk out at the moment - in some posts you seem to have smelt the coffee and in others you revert back to your old loyalties...
                        If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                        The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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                        • indigen
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2009
                          • 1558

                          Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
                          Agreed, but that attitude will bite them hard.
                          It will bite ALL Macedonians very, very hard but I am RELUCTANT to apportion ALL the blame on the ordinary Macedonian people in RM because there are MANY FORCES RANGED AGAINST THEM in order to promote that outcome.

                          Secondly, WE (DIASPORA Macedonians) should FIRST look around OUR OWN BACKYARD and see if we don't have similar issues! Good topic to pursue and I think you would be a good (or the ideal) person (after you take the time to reflect on it) to initiate discussion along that line.
                          Last edited by indigen; 03-02-2011, 05:23 PM.

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