Slovenian position on Macedonia and Croatia

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  • Soldier of Macedon
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 13670

    Originally posted by Philosopher View Post
    Does he really mean "south of Croatia" or north of Croatia? Because south of Croatia would include Macedonia.
    Kacin didn't say that. That was BBS' comment. Kacin is a moron (like a number of Slovenian politicians as of late where it concerns Macedonia) and what he says in that clip is a misrepresentation of Macedonians.
    In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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    • Nikolaj
      Member
      • Aug 2014
      • 389

      Not going to lie, I almost spewed up at his historical ignorance.

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      • Big Bad Sven
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2009
        • 1528

        I have edited my comments to avoid any confusion. It was a slight type on my end

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        • Soldier of Macedon
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 13670

          Slovenia is currently being led by a conservative government. Along with Hungary's Orban, the Visegrad group and the Craiova group, they are pushing for the integration of the western Balkans into the EU. The socially conservative values they claim to possess may be appealing to many Macedonians, but some of these politicians are more interested in increasing their voting bloc in the EU than preserving the dignity of the countries they're enticing to join. For some, the overall cause of maintaining at least a level of conservativism in social issues isn't bigger than their individual bitchery and denigration against others. Let's also not forget about how Slovenia has treated Macedonia in recent years. Recently, the Slovenian ambassador to Bulgaria, Anžej Frangeš, had this to say.
          https://www.mkd.mk/makedonija/politi...qJ1NFIHSSmoypE

          03 July 2021

          (Translation) The Slovenian Ambassador to Bulgaria, Andrzej Franges, estimates that it would be a strategic mistake to leave the Balkans out of the European integration process. In an interview with BNR, Frangesch said that this was a continuation of the policy pursued by Sofia during her presidency of the Council of the EU. According to him, the two countries have different views on EU enlargement - how and when it should be implemented, but he considers it very important to support this process, saying that the process has brought change in the candidate countries. The Slovenian ambassador also commented on Bulgaria's position regarding Macedonia and its European perspective: "Bulgaria is one of the EU members and our partner, we must understand Bulgaria's position, but on the other hand we must move it forward the integration process in the Western Balkans. The EU has responsibilities in this regard… What we can do is try to support the dialogue and see how the two countries can go together in the same direction and where things need to be resolved in a European context. "There are things that are on a bilateral level between Sofia and Skopje, as well as things that need to be decided at the level of the European Union." Franges acknowledged that there are similarities between the territorial dispute between Slovenia and Croatia during Zagreb's EU membership talks and the Bulgarian-Macedonian problems, but they are smaller than the differences. Slovenia, as the ambassador reminded, vetoed Croatia not at the beginning, but at the end of the whole negotiation process. He did not comment on whether Ljubljana was preparing a compromise proposal in the dispute between Bulgaria and Macedonia.
          It's the same rubbish we hear from other eurocrats who make subtle complaints about Bulgaria's attitude towards Macedonia yet fail to address the total stupidity of their argument. They will continue to side with Bulgaria, just like they did with Greece, because a country's idiocy is afforded great latitude if they're already in the EU.
          https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-e...13126020080620

          20 June 2008

          BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The European Union told Macedonia on Friday it must resolve a row with EU member Greece over its name to get a date to start membership talks, but did not rule out new steps this year towards entry. “Maintaining good neighbourly relations, including a negotiated and mutually acceptable solution on the name issue, remains essential,” said a draft final statement from a meeting of EU leaders. The draft, obtained by Reuters, said further steps “are possible by the end of this year” if all conditions are met. Macedonia, which split from Yugoslavia in 1991, has the same name as Greece’s most northerly province. Athens says Skopje must use a compound name such as “New” or “Upper” Macedonia and already blocked Macedonia’s bid at a NATO summit in April to be invited to join the defence alliance. Slovenian Prime Minister Janez Jansa, whose country holds the rotating EU presidency, said late on Thursday resolving the name dispute was also key to advancing ties with the EU. “What I can say for certain is that Macedonia will be given a date to resume negotiations as soon as all conditions are fulfilled,” he said after the first day of talks. “There are some conditions that need to be met which are not completely in the remit of the EU institutions,” he said, citing “the issue of the name.” Gunfights and fraud during Macedonia’s June 1 elections did not help Skopje’s case. In the summit draft, the EU called on Macedonia to ensure that elections due next year would be free and fair, and to crack down on corruption and organised crime.
          Think of somebody who shares a similar ideology and pretends to be your friend. They then invite you into a house (which they don't even own) so their numbers can increase. Finally they humiliate and permanently scar you as the price of entry. These people are not friends. There are good Slovenians out there who completely understand that Macedonians have been wronged by the Greeks and Bulgars, but in terms of politics, Slovenia is no friend of Macedonia and hasn't been for a long time.
          In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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          • Soldier of Macedon
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 13670

            Here's some more from "our friend" Janez Jansa, the PM of Slovenia.
            https://infomax.mk/wp/%D0%BE%D0%B4%D...%D0%BE-%D0%BF/

            (Translation) 3 July 21 - Slovenia certainly understands Bulgaria's position on its veto on starting negotiations with Macedonia, as it is a member state. This was stated by Slovenian Prime Minister Janez Jansa in response to a question from BNR. "When we are in one family, his interest comes first, and then the others," he said. Prime Minister Jansa added that at the same time the EU must behave like a family, or else it is under threat. "We must try to find a compromise," he said. The Prime Minister described the latest proposal of the Portuguese presidency to continue the negotiations as good. "It is good for Bulgaria to accept a nation that speaks a similar language and has a similar culture. "It may be a point of contention, but we need to have a strategic view of things." For his part, the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Slovenia, Anže Logar, stated that one of his first upcoming visits will be to Bulgaria in connection with the country's veto on the start of negotiations with Macedonia. On Thursday, Slovenia took over the six-month rotating EU presidency from Portugal.
            Sound familiar? It should, because it is the same drivel we heard from him during the debacle with Greece. This character was one of the main Slovenian activists during the dying years of Yugoslavia. When it came to the national interests of Slovenia, he was uncompromising, even if it meant war. Now, he is telling Macedonia to compromise. To hell with this clown and anybody that believes he is a "friend" to Macedonia.
            In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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