United Macedonia Diaspora

[Makedonetz]

And to add on to what Julie allready posted above.

And withought the Diaspora you guys would be Nothing.

[Phoenix]

I bet that stravdziger bloke couldn't find a screw in a brothel like UMD...

The screwdrivers, the brandy's, and others from Meto's stable really need to understand their position within the diaspora and how they represent that diaspora...personally I'm bored with the photo opportunities, the cocktail parties, the boat cruises and the award nights.

Try a novel approach to lobbying, something like a passionate defence of the interests of the Macedonian diaspora and the Macedonians in the Republic.

[Mr Brandy]

Originally Posted by julie

Mr Brandy, do you support name negotiations? Do you support the enforcement of the Ohrid agreement?
The concern here is what UMD is promoting. We dont need to promote boat trips and award hero awards to politicians that SHOULD be acknowledging our identity as our basic right to our existence as a nation.
I am so proud of the AMHRC, who work tirelessly for our cause, and they get the message across without pretty photographs of themselves.
What is it that UMD are promoting?
And stop knocking the people that post on this wonderful forum, who are privately lobbying, without the need for ego and glory.
We are so lucky here to be heard, we are the diaspora and these are our concerns

Hi Julie - No I don't support the name negotiations. I also don't support the enforcment of the Ohrid Agreement. I'll go one step further and state that I despise both and I wish they never existed in the first place.

Your absolutley right - The politicians SHOULD be acknowledging our basic rights - but they don't. I see what people are saying - why should we praise Stephen Harper for simply doing the decent thing and acknowleding our existance - why are our standards so low.

I understand this but this is the reality - Rome wasn't built in a day. This is where we are today - years ago it was much worse - if we keep working at it years from now it will better.

I am proud of AMHRC as well - also MHRMI for their many achievments over the years however from my point of view and please don't take this a mean spirited way - they need to do more in terms of selling the legend - we need to be loud and proud of who we are - the billboard idea was an excellent step in promoting their way of thinking in a visible way that reaches the power brokers - in this case the Macedonian public who are the voters. Good job - let's keep going!

We are fortunate to have this forum - I commend the administrators who I am sure volunteer a tremdenous amount of their own time to keeping things up and running. However I have to say that if you read back to my comments it all started with me congratulating UMD on the photo and then I am attacked and referred to as the "apologist" amongst many other insults. If you go back and count I think it would be easy to tell that much more anger and vitriol was directed towards me then I dished out to anyone.

I'm not here to argue with people but it seems to be impossible at this time to make a pro-UMD comment without being hung out to dry. I understand the concerns with UMD - I have read them all. I also have my own concerns with the UMD however I have managed to maintain a productive and open line of communication with them. I am not here stating they are perfect - however I am willing to work with them towards common goals and continually remind them what the diaspora thinks and feels.

[stravdziger]

Originally Posted by julie

Screwdriver and brandy
You both come onto this forum and put down everyone that posts here. What you don't seem to understand this forum allows the Macedonian diaspora to be heard, their concerns, and has been a fantastic medium in publishing facts our historians are negligent in. No questions are answered and you attack everyone here, both of you dont know how to answer any questions posed to you and attack the integrity of our members.
The administrators have done a fantastic job in developing this medium for us, and it affords us the means of presenting facts and the truth, and our voice is heard.

What incredible bullshit you speak. Your administrators have done a fantastic job of sowing division in the diaspora community to push a hidden agenda. I'm glad you love this circle-jerk of a forum so much, though... you sound like a little kid.

The MTO has the integrity to continue to allow UMD to post here, and advertise the parties and hero awards that you hand out to people that are not deserving of such an honour.
The UMD has not responded as an organisation to our concerns, for we are the Macedonian diaspora, the voice of the people, that endorse the Framework Agreement and endorse prefixes and suffixes to our name, all detrimental to the continuance and survival of our very existence, for the Macedonian Cause.

Yep, that is pretty much the party line that you all repeat to each other, but the problem is it is a gross misrepresentation of the facts. The basic issue is: do we want an active, mobilized global Macedonian diaspora movement with various organizations that actually push the cause forward by getting engaged in the world, or do we essentially sit on our hands, complain as loudly as possible with a typical victim mentality - "woe is me" - and spend our energy denigrating other Macedonians.

Not only do the views of the majority on this site NOT represent the general view of Macedonians world wide, but I don't think they represent the view in Australia's community either.

You come here and attack forum members with bravado, and most of our identities here are known, yet you hide behind your PC and applaud the bravado behind the endorsement of the erosion of our identity by attacking the very people that are fighting to keep it. I dont think much of either of your characters, at least Meto has not been as rude and arrogant in personal attacks, perhaps he should take you both aside because you both are not doing your organisation any favours, the MTO is far reaching, and I know there are many people that do read here.

Well, you are right about one thing: Meto is very polite and patient with some of you yahoos. But your portrayal of who is attacking whom is laughable.

SoM has allowed the UMD the privilege to continue advertising here with their huge signature blocks, and perhaps you should both hang your heads in shame, because you are further adding to my continued disgust of the integrity of your organisation as am sure others are getting quite sick of it.

When it comes to loudmouths and ad hominem attacks, SOM takes the cake, but I don't think he needs you to protect him, really.

How about answering the questions posed to you, that is , if you can, isn't transparency and honesty something that should be upheld by your organisation?It disgusts me, this continuing attack on my fellow forum members who are fighters for the Macedonian cause.

I haven't seen one question that hasn't been answered 100 times by various people who are sympathetic to the UMD. Your fellow fighters for the cause are an embarrassment - what cause is it, when every thread includes anti-UMD diatribes? You can be disgusted if you want.

Their is no hidden agenda here, or ego, nor anyone with self serving interests.

I don't believe this for one minute.

It also further makes me despisae what your country aspires to, the erosion of the Macedonian people's very name and identity. Your organisation promotes it, with the endorsement of the framework agreement , the endorsement of name change for entry into EU and NATO, because they are your US led big boy clubs. Your country is the one that destabilised RoM, with your support.

This is a very telling part in your little rant... The underlying anti-Americanism in Australian culture has somehow been manipulated into "despising" your Macedonian brothers, whose crime is that they happen to live in that country. Your arguments about UMD "promoting" the misdeeds of the USA are without merit, but you are too blind to see it, because that's the nature of hatred and radicalism.

Why would you want to do this to a nation of people, sellout your own blood, just to gain a seat in your bullshitter's US congress and country with your agendas.

Any "patriots" who run a 24/7 propaganda machine against their own people are the real sellouts - that's what you and your mates are.

I suggest you both crawl back into that hole you came out of , it really pisses me off more, as am sure it does others, to be put down continually, remember this
WE ARE THE MACEDONIAN DIASPORA AND THE MTO IS THE VOICE OF THE MACEDONIAN DIASPORA.
now blubber off you pair of alcoholics, because your ramblings and attacks are obviously under the influence

Keep dreaming, sister... you can use ALL CAPS the whole time if it makes you feel better. Macedonian "patriots" who don't actively work for the cause are of no use. Talk is cheap. Get off of your asses and get to work. If you don't like UMD, that's perfectly fine, but if you think you are doing anything of value by pushing your divisive, anti-Macedonian agenda, you are sadly mistaken.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Originally Posted by screwdriver

I'm glad you love this circle-jerk of a forum so much

If you hate it so much, why don't you slither out of here? Or are you waiting to be sent away?

Not only do the views of the majority on this site NOT represent the general view of Macedonians world wide, but I don't think they represent the view in Australia's community either.

Stop embarrassing yourself. Which views at the MTO don't represent the general view of Macedonians? Which one's don't represent the Macedonian community in Australia? Have you ever been in Australia?

I haven't seen one question that hasn't been answered 100 times by various people who are sympathetic to the UMD.

Can you tell me 1 of the 100 answers that were given with respect to Meto's indication that Macedonia must change her name for the NATO and EU?

Any "patriots" who run a 24/7 propaganda machine against their own people are the real sellouts - that's what you and your mates are.

We work against all people who work against the Macedonian Cause. You just happen to find yourself sitting on the other side of the fence because of your blind faith in the UMD.

Get off of your asses and get to work.

Your anger and spite sounds a lot like that depraved and deluded administrator over at Maknews. What have you done for the Macedonian Cause?

If your purpose is to give us your endless diatribes that are completely full of shit, then you have no purpose here. Don't waste our time or pollute our forum with your misguided and idiotic hatred of the truth.

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by stravdziger

Your administrators have done a fantastic job of sowing division in the diaspora community to push a hidden agenda.

What is so hidden about exposing morons that think changing the name of Macedonia is a good thing? If there is anything more than that, let me know.

Do you disagree with the Macedonian Cause as defined on this forum stravdziger? Technically the UMD did when it thought Macedonia should change its name for the "all important" NATO and EU entry.

Let me know if you want to talk it through sunshine.

While you are at it, I am quite partial to Americans, especially Southern Americans. I also like the United Macedonians from what I can see. Perhaps my bone of contention is simply with some Americans.

[julie]

screwdriver you are a joke . Straight from your meto mouth in australia that umd advocated for name change .. You are a blind fool obviously on the umd pay . Brandy at least has the sense not to promote what is contra to the macedonian cause i will never support an organisaton or macedonians that will sell my name or support the framework agreement that is detrimental to our existence unlike your pathetic self . Blow as many trumpets as you wish it wont work here . Its individuals like yourself that give your organisation a bad name . Keep it up such a hero . still waiting to hear on your take on those policies of support . I suggest you get lost you are contra to the macedonian cause and why are you posting here if you dont like this forum . Of course you can be bought and paid to sell our name . Your organisation does not listen to the diaspora continue as you are and watch your paying members disappear . I will give my heart and soul for my macedonian people and all that support the continuance of our existence . I have lost even more respect for your organisation with your rantings . I have worked for my people and my family has worked tirelessly and constantly i must pass on the umd thanks to them here . Meto knows and am sure my relatives would be ever so grateful to hear what he thinks of them here via your rants you screw shit . Well done meto that takes the cake now . What have you done screw shit i can hold my head up high without taking my peoples money

[Mikail]

Originally Posted by Mr Brandy

Mikail - I don't think UMD was taking credit for anything in this instance - not sure why you are making this generalization here. I can't honestly say that one group or person takes credit for the achievements of the community on a whole. If you happen to know who specifically deserves the credit for this I would love to know as I would like to congratulate them.

It would be nice for UMD to give recognition of the efforts of those who began discussions with the Canadian government before they appeared on the scene several years ago.

Good on the relentless work of the Macedonians living in Canada in achieving the recognition they have. A Washington based NGO who now says it is not a lobby group did little, if anything at all, to influence Mr Harper's decision.

Originally Posted by Risto the Great

I think I agree with you. However it begs to be mentioned that they often give the impression of being involved in a whole lot more things than they actually are.

This the point I was intending to make.

[Makedonetz]

screwdriver if Macedonia called to arms would you help your country? NO you would probaly slither back into some dark hole and hold onto your vajche tapping your heels saying i wish i was home....i wish i was home. We have probaly invested more money into Stari Kraj then what you fucking make in a year so my advise to you is yebeje bratko.

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