United Macedonia Diaspora

[indigen]

Indigen, follow this link (it goes to search results) and click on the Excel sheet - the first result. This is the actual census, not sample surveys in between.

http://search.census.gov/search?q=Ce...nd&site=census

I was wrong - in 2000, the last census, only 35,523 (including about 5,000 who identified Macedonian as a SECOND ancestry) people declared themselves to be Macedonian. And Meto pretends to take on a "professional" approach! What is "professional" about LYING?

Thanks for the link but I am NOT convinced that the data is not based on limited sample type.

Census 2000 PHC-T-43.
Table 1. First, Second, and Total Responses to the Ancestry Question
by Detailed Ancestry Code: 2000
(Data based on sample. For information on confidentiality protection, sampling error, nonsampling error, and
definitions, see www.census.gov/prod/cen2000/doc/sf3.pdf)
Note: The responses in this table were elicited by an open-ended question in Census 2000 that
asked "What is your ancestry or ethnic origin?" Respondents could write in one or two ancestries.
Numbers are shown for every code with a total of at least 300.

The above info came from the Excel file at your suggested link.

[Vangelovski]

Indigen,

The question was included in the census:

Note: The responses in this table were elicited by an open-ended question in Census 2000 that asked "What is your ancestry or ethnic origin?" Respondents could write in one or two ancestries. Numbers are shown for every code with a total of at least 300.

HOWEVER, you may be right in terms of the response rate. I just found another document, specifically relating to the ancestry question, which states the following on page one:

This report is part of a series that presents population and housing data collected by Census 2000, where 80 percent of respondents to the long form specified at least one ancestry. (About one-sixth of households received the long form.)

http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/c2kbr-35.pdf

It appears that only 1/6 of American households recieve the 'long form' version of the census. They obviously conduct their census very differently to ours. Either way, 500,000 Macedonians in the US is a BS UMD figure. I am much more likely to trust the US census and its statistical credibility that Meto.

[Onur]

Senator Menendez is very well known to Turkish people. I hear his name in every anti-Turkish campaign for 4-5 years. He is just a tool for Greco-Armenian propaganda machine in the US. Menendez is always doing whatever they wish for.

Probably you remember that J-Lo was going to the northern Cyprus few months ago and Greek lobby managed to convince her to not go there. Greeks used senator Menendez for that and he personally contacted J-Lo and used his influence by being a senator. So, he is even ready to serve to Greco-Armenian lobby for stupid stuff like that and i don't think you can convince him for anything against Greek propaganda as long as American Greeks-Armenians remains as his supporters in the elections.

[indigen]

Indigen,

The question was included in the census:

HOWEVER, you may be right in terms of the response rate. I just found another document, specifically relating to the ancestry question, which states the following on page one:

http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/c2kbr-35.pdf

It appears that only 1/6 of American households recieve the 'long form' version of the census. They obviously conduct their census very differently to ours. Either way, 500,000 Macedonians in the US is a BS UMD figure. I am much more likely to trust the US census and its statistical credibility that Meto.

Yes, they do NOT do ancestry in good old US of A as we know it in Australia for the last 3 or so Censuses.

Chapter 8.
Accuracy of the Data
INTRODUCTION
The data contained in this product are based on the Census 2000 sample. The data are estimates
of the actual figures that would have been obtained from a complete count. Estimates derived
from a sample are expected to be different from the 100-percent figures because they are subject
to sampling and nonsampling errors. Sampling error in data arises from the selection of people
and housing units included in the sample. Nonsampling error affects both sample and
100-percent data and is introduced as a result of errors that may occur during the data collection
and processing phases of the census. This chapter provides a detailed discussion of both types
of errors and a description of the estimation procedures.

http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2000/doc/sf3.pdf

Since THERE IS NO ACCURATE CENSUS DATA, one can make all sorts of claims. UMD and Co would have been better served if they actually joined other ethnic groups (as Macedonians did in the past in Australia) in USA and campaigned for the inclusion of an ANCESTRY QUESTION in ALL CENSUS forms rather than the Mickey Mouse gimmick PR campaign they ran last year and early 2010 (and with the resultant MPO FIASCO!).

[George S.]

this is a very interesting thread.Input from indigen is very good & vangelovski providing good points.I think the problem of the name or anything to do with macedonia as mentioned by indigens article will be resolved if only the greeks start to recognize macedonia:"he problem will be resolved when the Hellenic Republic recognizes that there is a Macedonia, a Macedonian people, a Macedonian language and a Macedonian national identity. Macedonia and Macedonians pose no threat to the Hellenic Republic, to its leaders, or to its people. The Hellenic Republic would be better served were it to embrace its neighbors. The international community, or more precisely, over 129 countries, including the United States, Mexico, Canada, Russia, and the United Kingdom, have overwhelmingly acknowledged that the sovereign right to name one’s own nation is a key franchise that belongs to any free people, including Macedonians. The Hellenic Republic continues to needlessly sully its own good name in the international community by maintaining its current odd and curious position. "
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[UMDiaspora.org]

George S. - glad you liked our quote.

[Makedonska_Kafana]

George S. - glad you liked our quote.

guarantee the territorial integrity of macedonia

I like that too. Who provides you with the ARMS? You, Meto and Reeker row number one? Is that what UMD uses membership money for - buy ARMS? If so, contact George Soros because he will fully support you in this defense because today he gives to Serbia, Albania, Bulgaria and Greece.

OPEN SOCIETY (WORLD ORDER)

[UMDiaspora.org]

UMD has raised close to $3,500 of the $25,000 goal. We need to raise $21,500 by December 31, 2010 - ten days left! Donate today and help us reach this goal: https://web.memberclicks.com/mc/quic...d&formId=69654

[Makedonska_Kafana]

Any truth that the $25,000 will be donated even if you fall short?

[UMDiaspora.org]

Thanks to another donor, we just got another $2,000. $19,500 left to raise!

[Makedonska_Kafana]

Thanks to another donor, we just got another $2,000. $19,500 left to raise!

I'll see your 2 and raise you 5

Support the World Macedonian Diaspora today - Say NO to Washinton DC and the secret (Reeker) Macedonian agenda.

[UMDiaspora.org]

United Macedonian Diaspora is proud to support this important project to tell the Macedonian-American immigrant story: YouTube - E Pluribus Unum: A Museum to Tell EVERYONE'S Story

[Makedonska_Kafana]

In doing so you must then also accept the MPO because before 1964 there was no other choice. You sure you want to support Macedono-Bulgarians? What, church documents do you have between 1890-1960?

UMD is only 5 years years old and now you want to go back 100 years rather then deal with what matters the most to our Diaspora today? Many, Macedonians made poor choices (no options) do you have to support that today?

UMD is way to AMERICANIZED for most Macedonians.

USA, is a very small factor regardless what the Department of State spoon feeds you - promises and lies. (WikiLeaks)

[Makedonska_Kafana]

JUNE 2011 CONFERENCE

US politicians are not in your best interest if you read "WikiLeaks"? By the time June rolls around there will be some major surprises so use extreme caution when selecting.

Clinton? Obama? Bush? Reeker? Biden? Soros?

Talk about calling the kettle black!! She knows very well it's an attack on her by George Soros who paid the CIA.

YouTube - Hillary Clinton Responds to WikiLeaks Documents Claims

YouTube - Hillary Clinton admits the CFR gives the Orders
CFR NEW WORLD ORDER (Clinton & Soros)

[UMDiaspora.org]

AJC Calls on Greek Orthodox Church to Condemn Priest’s Anti-Semitic Libels

For fair use only...

http://www.ajc.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=ijITI2PHKoG&b=2818289&ct=8980321&notoc=1

AJC is calling on the head of the Greek Orthodox Church in Greece, Archbishop Ieronymos II, as well as Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew, to condemn unequivocally the blatant anti-Semitic libels expressed by Metropolitan Seraphim of Piraeus, one of the church’s highest officials.