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  • VMRO
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 1462

    Originally posted by Stojacanec View Post
    There are sectors within greece that are seriously contemplating independence, anyway.
    The world will be turning on the Greeks now, many are losing money due to these twats.
    Verata vo Mislite, VMRO vo dushata, Makedonia vo Srceto.

    Vnatreshna Makedonska Revolucionerna Organizacija.

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    • Amphipolis
      Banned
      • Aug 2014
      • 1328

      Originally posted by EgejskaMakedonia View Post
      If Macedonia were to ever place an economic embargo on Greece now would be the time. But the difference between now and back in the 90s is that Macedonia would suffer just as much from said embargo. But I guess it would be a matter of who could hold out for longer, and right now, it doesn't seem like much is needed at all for Greece to collapse. It would be political suicide though.
      The answer lies probably in these links

      Visualize global trade data and economic growth opportunities for every country


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      • Stojacanec
        Member
        • Dec 2009
        • 809

        Greece's creditors have opened up a pandoras box of problems within greece. A collapse is a forgone conclusion.

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        • EgejskaMakedonia
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2010
          • 1665

          Originally posted by Amphipolis View Post
          The answer lies probably in these links

          Visualize global trade data and economic growth opportunities for every country


          https://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/grc/
          Lol, your point being? It's funny how when I bring up this topic with most Greeks they then start to talk about Macedonia's economy instead. Just accept you're up shit creek and take responsibility for your actions. Not to mention, 2.4% of Greece's exports are to Macedonia according to those stats...that isn't exactly insignificant.

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          • Phoenix
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2008
            • 4671

            Originally posted by EgejskaMakedonia View Post
            Lol, your point being? It's funny how when I bring up this topic with most Greeks they then start to talk about Macedonia's economy instead. Just accept you're up shit creek and take responsibility for your actions. Not to mention, 2.4% of Greece's exports are to Macedonia according to those stats...that isn't exactly insignificant.
            They're fuckin deluded mate...once they were comparing their economy, lifestyle and prosperity to that of the mighty Germans...
            Today the comparison is closer to Somalia, with none of the upside...

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            • makedonche
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2008
              • 3242

              Originally posted by Phoenix View Post
              They're fuckin deluded mate...once they were comparing their economy, lifestyle and prosperity to that of the mighty Germans...
              Today the comparison is closer to Somalia, with none of the upside...
              Phoenix
              I warned you about degrading Somalia!!!
              On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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              • Bill77
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2009
                • 4545

                Courtesy of Slovenian Finance Daily lol

                http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873

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                • George S.
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 10116

                  I just heard the greek finance minister has resigned and many others are to follow.
                  "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                  GOTSE DELCEV

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                  • Gocka
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2012
                    • 2306

                    Being poor is a lot easier on the mind than becoming poor.

                    Originally posted by Amphipolis View Post
                    The answer lies probably in these links

                    Visualize global trade data and economic growth opportunities for every country


                    https://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/grc/

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                    • Phoenix
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 4671

                      Originally posted by makedonche View Post
                      Phoenix
                      I warned you about degrading Somalia!!!
                      You're right, Somalia shouldn't be belittled like that...at least Somalia has a successful pirate industry...

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                      • Amphipolis
                        Banned
                        • Aug 2014
                        • 1328

                        Originally posted by EgejskaMakedonia View Post
                        Lol, your point being? It's funny how when I bring up this topic with most Greeks they then start to talk about Macedonia's economy instead. Just accept you're up shit creek and take responsibility for your actions. Not to mention, 2.4% of Greece's exports are to Macedonia according to those stats...that isn't exactly insignificant.
                        The point obviously is that you are 2,4% of our exports and an unclear 0+ % of our imports and we are 4% of your exports and 11% of your imports, namely your 1st or 2nd most important trade partner.

                        Funilly enough, if you examine an extreme (yet more realistic) scenario: In case of an ECB "siege", Greece will have no exchange currency (of any form) and will probably have to stop exporting refined petroleum products to you and start storing them.

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                        • Phoenix
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 4671

                          Originally posted by Amphipolis View Post
                          Funnily enough, if you examine an extreme (yet more realistic) scenario: In case of an ECB "siege", Greece will have no exchange currency (of any form) and will probably have to stop exporting refined petroleum products to you and start storing them.
                          In your example above, storing petroleum products will be an absolute luxury...the only problem will be, who pays for the storage, who pays for the logistics, who pays the wages of the workers involved in the processing, transport and storage...?

                          In your ECB 'siege' example...you won't have money.
                          Remember, it was access to money and credit that got you in this mess...you may not have that soon.

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                          • Philosopher
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 1003

                            Apparently, Merkel and Hollande have accepted the Greek referendum. I have my doubts. Europe is talking a big game, making big threats, but in the end they are not going to allow Greece to leave the EU or the Euro. Too much is riding on this.

                            There is some chatter that the West may plot a coup in Greece, and oust the Greek government from power.

                            We all know how the West operates. Democracy, democracy, democracy, unless democracy is used to produce an agenda different than that sanctioned by Western interests. The United States and Western Europe are not going to allow Greece to cozy up with Russia more than it has. If Greece splits from the EU and joins BRICS, NATO and the EU will have a serious problem in the Balkans.

                            Russia knows this and they know what is at stake. Russians credit Greeks for their religion (Orthodox) and the Slavic language, so there is a union here. Russia, of course, has geopolitical and military motivations as well, and Greece is a bit of a pawn, caught between the East and West.

                            At this point in time anything is possible.

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                            • EgejskaMakedonia
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2010
                              • 1665

                              Originally posted by Philosopher View Post

                              Russia knows this and they know what is at stake. Russians credit Greeks for their religion (Orthodox) and the Slavic language, so there is a union here. Russia, of course, has geopolitical and military motivations as well, and Greece is a bit of a pawn, caught between the East and West.

                              At this point in time anything is possible.
                              Honestly, who isn't a pawn of the East or West in the modern world? Sovereignty is a pretty vague concept when you have these two opposing powers constantly meddling in foreign internal politics.

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                              • Tomche Makedonche
                                Senior Member
                                • Oct 2011
                                • 1123

                                Say what you will about RoG, but regardless of whether a possible act of foolish arrogance leads to utter ruin (quite deservedly I must say), they certainly have some balls, and have subsequently placed Brussels in a pretty precarious situation. The future of the Eurozone could quite possibly be defined by Brussels’ response.
                                “There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part, you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus and you’ve got to make it stop, and you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all” - Mario Savio

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