United Macedonia Diaspora

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by amitreski

Tom

I do not recognize the person that was part of UMD for several years.

I'm not sure what this is referring to, but I am confident that you would be willing to sit down and come to some sort of negotiated settlement.

[Prolet]

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

I'm not sure what this is referring to, but I am confident that you would be willing to sit down and come to some sort of negotiated settlement.

So this is what its all about??

You are serving your own personal interests here, it has nothing to do with the Macedonians in the Diaspora at all. If you have personal issues here with the UMD dont involve our whole diaspora because of it. What exactly is the problem here Vangelovski?? What Settlement do you wish to negotiate?? Za sto se karate??

[Rogi]

I could be wrong, but I think that was a sarcastic comment?

[Volk]

yeah real surprise coming from you Pelister, did you ask any questions at the meeting? Did you personally talk to Meto and discuss your concerns?

[Vangelovski]

Prolet,

You should stop taking acid trips before you post on the forum. I was being sarcastic and alluding to UMD's willingness to compromise on the name.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Volk, was that necessary?

Are you from Adelaide? Did you attend and ask questions? Were you satisfied with Meto and his 'democratic' delusions? He still tried to justify it by saying that Macedonia is, afterall, a democratic country! Well, no shit, Macedonia also has green grass and mountains. Are you prepared to call yourself a 'democratic' Macedonian at the UN?

Don't defend the UMD because you have a personal issue with Pelister and some others, you're better than that. Think about what is right for the Macedonian people.

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by Volk

yeah real surprise coming from you Pelister, did you ask any questions at the meeting? Did you personally talk to Meto and discuss your concerns?

Volk, if you read Pelister's post, I think he answered your questions before you even posted them...weird...

[Soldier of Macedon]

Originally Posted by Buktop

If you watched the Adelaide video, Meto expressly states, it was his own personal opinion to be in favor of the Democratic prefix at the time, not the policy of UMD.

What Meto proposes has to be approved by all board members of UMD, or maybe Rogi can shed some light as to the decision making of UMD boards. Either way, a single board member does not have the power to change policy single handed.

My problem is not about criticizing Meto's or other board members' statements, it is about confusing personal opinion with UMD policy. I don't agree with some of their statements either, but I wont discredit the entire organization for it.

Buktop, you can't separate what the president of an organisation says from the organisation itself. If Meto was talking about a glass of coke or a packet of chips, sure, that's his personal opinion, when he talks about Macedonia and makes reference to "we" this and "we" that, every word of his will be considered as a statement from the UMD, which it is.

You are trying to argue on behalf of something that is completely nonsensical and not seen anywhere else in the world. I asked you before:

Can you show me another example of something like this where the population or membership agree with what you are saying, namely, that they accept the president of their group makes statements that apparently contradict the group's policies and are not in synch with the population or membership? A few parallels would strengthen your argument somewhat.

Can you?

[Prolet]

Vangelovski, Its more then clear that you have personal issues with the UMD, you can be as sarcastic as you like but whatever problem you have with the UMD dont hold the rest of us as your hostages. All i care about is Macedonia and the Macedonian cause as long as you fit into that category i will respect you just like i will respect everybody else. This isnt about you, me, Petko or Stanko this is about us being raped for decades now and finally something is being done about it.

I have some concerns with the UMD but as of now i havnt seen them do anything that is anti-Macedonian, there is plenty of talk but thats it.

As Rogi mentioned focus on Mike Rann, we have a Premier of a Large state calling us History Thieves and Slavs i think this should concern you alot more then focusing on the UMD so much.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Originally Posted by Prolet

So this is what its all about??

You are serving your own personal interests here, it has nothing to do with the Macedonians in the Diaspora at all. If you have personal issues here with the UMD dont involve our whole diaspora because of it. What exactly is the problem here Vangelovski?? What Settlement do you wish to negotiate?? Za sto se karate??

Prolet, I notice that Maknews just gave you a serving for basically nothing. Are you trying to play the other side of the coin now? What is happening now needs to happen, the Macedonian people must be made aware of the exact intentions of each group claiming to work on their behalf. The UMD are not exempt from this.

Would it help you feel better, if I was to say everything Tom is saying, given that I have no previous 'issues' with the UMD nor any personal interest in seeing them criticised? It is still the same thing. Some of you are trying to diminish the significance of what he is saying due to his former role with the UMD, you are allowing this to cloud your view about the whole matter. Open your eyes to what is really going on here, there is a clear trail of UMD statements that, if put together, are very concerning for the Macedonian Diaspora.

I am more adamant about this now, because many of us chose to remain ignorant and believe that Pelister, Vangelovski and co. were head-hunting the UMD, however, when I actually decided that enough was enough and took a look for myself to see what is really going on, it became more than obvious that these guys were correct from the beginning. Now, there is alot of stench emanating from the UMD. From discouraging people to celebrate their full history, to accepting name changes, to supporting anti-Macedonian agreements, to showing understanding for enemies of the state, etc. I am a logical person, and logic will not allow me to keep my eyes closed to this.

The worst of it all, hardly anything has been properly acknowledged, and even when it has, it is followed up by some half-ass justification.