Boris Sarafov - Macedonian Revolutionary

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  • Soldier of Macedon
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 13670

    #31
    Originally posted by DIMO View Post
    He was against goce delcev and wanted to shoot jordan piperkata, patriot? More like traiter pro bugarin. Never listen to what people say, look at their actions. All the vojivodi were against him its got to tell you something.
    I wouldn't label him a Bugaroman, he was more an opportunist than anything else. All of the voivodi weren't against him, although he was disliked in many circles of the Internal Organisation. The dispute with Jordan Piperkata was of a personal nature.
    In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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    • VMRO
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 1462

      #32
      Just found a rare picture of Boris Sarafov. It was a time during the Balkan wars where he fought on the side of Bulgaria against the Turks.



      Gen. Sarafoff & Chief of Staff Col. Bournof, Tchataldja

      Photograph shows Boris Sarafov together with the Bulgarian General Mihail Savov (1857-1928) at Çatalca, Turkey during the Balkan Wars.
      Verata vo Mislite, VMRO vo dushata, Makedonia vo Srceto.

      Vnatreshna Makedonska Revolucionerna Organizacija.

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      • Liberator of Makedonija
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2014
        • 1595

        #33
        Supposedly, Sarafov ordered copies of Misirkov's За Македонски Работи to be destroyed. Anyone know anything of this?
        I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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        • VMRO
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 1462

          #34
          Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View Post
          Supposedly, Sarafov ordered copies of Misirkov's За Македонски Работи to be destroyed. Anyone know anything of this?
          Haven't heard this but pro Bulgarian sources have mentioned this without any concrete sources.

          Where did you hear this?
          Verata vo Mislite, VMRO vo dushata, Makedonia vo Srceto.

          Vnatreshna Makedonska Revolucionerna Organizacija.

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          • Liberator of Makedonija
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2014
            • 1595

            #35
            Originally posted by VMRO View Post
            Haven't heard this but pro Bulgarian sources have mentioned this without any concrete sources.

            Where did you hear this?

            Friedman, V, The Effects of the 1913 Treaty of Bucharest on the Languages Spoken in Macedonia, On Macedonian Matters: from the Partition and Annexation of Macedonia in 1913 to the Present. A Collection of Essays on Language, Culture and History, p. 136


            "It was the Pirin Macedonian Boris Sarafov who ordered the destruction of of Misirkov's 1903 classic of Macedonian language and identity Za makedonckite raboti."
            I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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            • vicsinad
              Senior Member
              • May 2011
              • 2337

              #36
              Originally posted by VMRO View Post
              Just found a rare picture of Boris Sarafov. It was a time during the Balkan wars where he fought on the side of Bulgaria against the Turks.



              Gen. Sarafoff & Chief of Staff Col. Bournof, Tchataldja

              Photograph shows Boris Sarafov together with the Bulgarian General Mihail Savov (1857-1928) at Çatalca, Turkey during the Balkan Wars.
              Can this be right? Boris Sarafov died in 1907 and did not participate in the Balkan Wars. He was also a colonel and not a general.

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              • vicsinad
                Senior Member
                • May 2011
                • 2337

                #37
                Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View Post
                Friedman, V, The Effects of the 1913 Treaty of Bucharest on the Languages Spoken in Macedonia, On Macedonian Matters: from the Partition and Annexation of Macedonia in 1913 to the Present. A Collection of Essays on Language, Culture and History, p. 136


                "It was the Pirin Macedonian Boris Sarafov who ordered the destruction of of Misirkov's 1903 classic of Macedonian language and identity Za makedonckite raboti."
                It's possible that he did order its destruction. But the reasons might not be because he was against the Macedonian identity -- Sarafov wrote and spoke much about a separate Macedonian identity. Rather, Misirkov was very critical of the timing of VMRO's 1903 uprising, saying that it was a waste of men, resources and political capital. Misirkov took special aim at those (like Sarafov) who were gung-ho about rising up in 1903.

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                • Liberator of Makedonija
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2014
                  • 1595

                  #38
                  Originally posted by vicsinad View Post
                  It's possible that he did order its destruction. But the reasons might not be because he was against the Macedonian identity -- Sarafov wrote and spoke much about a separate Macedonian identity. Rather, Misirkov was very critical of the timing of VMRO's 1903 uprising, saying that it was a waste of men, resources and political capital. Misirkov took special aim at those (like Sarafov) who were gung-ho about rising up in 1903.
                  Agreed, I don't believe it says anything about Sarafov's view of our identity at all. The author uses this is an example to highlight Pro-Bulgarian views amongst some Macedonians of the era but Sarafov is notorious for his opportunism and bandit-like behaviour, not his political philosophy.
                  I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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                  • VMRO
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 1462

                    #39
                    Originally posted by vicsinad View Post
                    It's possible that he did order its destruction. But the reasons might not be because he was against the Macedonian identity -- Sarafov wrote and spoke much about a separate Macedonian identity. Rather, Misirkov was very critical of the timing of VMRO's 1903 uprising, saying that it was a waste of men, resources and political capital. Misirkov took special aim at those (like Sarafov) who were gung-ho about rising up in 1903.
                    Correct, Misirkov was critical of VMRO and their ill prepared uprising that did more harm than good for the Macedonian people and Sarafov was at that time was one of the leaders of VMRO would've taken offence.

                    Another reason could've been he was too close with the Bulgarian government and was instructed by the then Government to destroy them as Sarafov like many others were oppotunists.
                    Last edited by VMRO; 05-17-2018, 05:45 PM.
                    Verata vo Mislite, VMRO vo dushata, Makedonia vo Srceto.

                    Vnatreshna Makedonska Revolucionerna Organizacija.

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                    • VMRO
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 1462

                      #40
                      Originally posted by vicsinad View Post
                      Can this be right? Boris Sarafov died in 1907 and did not participate in the Balkan Wars. He was also a colonel and not a general.

                      I didn't notice that, great spot Vic.

                      The photo description had Balkan wars but it might be a picture of him during his time as a Bulgarian army officer.

                      Whether it is him or not, the resemblance is uncanny and same name too.

                      Photo source here: https://www.loc.gov/resource/ggbain.12547/
                      Last edited by VMRO; 05-17-2018, 05:45 PM.
                      Verata vo Mislite, VMRO vo dushata, Makedonia vo Srceto.

                      Vnatreshna Makedonska Revolucionerna Organizacija.

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                      • Liberator of Makedonija
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2014
                        • 1595

                        #41
                        I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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                        • Liberator of Makedonija
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2014
                          • 1595

                          #42
                          I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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                          • Liberator of Makedonija
                            Senior Member
                            • Apr 2014
                            • 1595

                            #43
                            An article in the 'Kalgoorlie Miner' (Australia) on Boris Sarafov from October 31st 1903.

                            I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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                            • Liberator of Makedonija
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2014
                              • 1595

                              #44
                              According to Stoyan Christowe's Heroes and Assassins, Sarafov met with the US consul in Petrograd and offered to raise a Macedonian legion to fight in Cuba against the Spaniards (Spanish-American War) in return for American arms support to VMRO.
                              I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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