United Macedonia Diaspora

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Buktop

No, that is the flag of the Republic of Macedonia as it stands now. You know that this "ventilator" as you call it has an older historical significance than the Kutlesh sun right?

The Macedonian people have had every opportunity to petition the government to reinstate the Kutlesh sun and yet they haven't, why is that?

The symbolism of the Sun in the current flag design is actually quite strong (IMHO), one could argue that it predates the Kutlesh design and therefor it is an even older Macedonian symbol...in some ways the stylized depiction of an eight ray sun symbol has been a clever ploy by its designers to avoid further 'protest' from the 'greek' side...although I do realise that from a purely aesthetic point of view not many symbols or designs have the same impact as the Star of Kutlesh...

[Big Bad Sven]

I have no problem with the current flag, in terms of look and all that type of stuff and actually like it.

However sadly the flag will always be remembered as the flag that was forced onto by us from the “greeks” and as the day Macedonia failed and its government sold out, and this is something that will always tarnish the reputation and respect of the flag.

Even know it makes me remember just how dark and sad the 90’s where for Macedonia….

[Bill77]

Originally Posted by Dimko-piperkata

they can´t be macedonians....they´re only of macedonian descent.

Please explain the diferance Dimko. I'm in no way having a go at you, but i can't get my brain around what you just said.

[Risto the Great]

I am pretty sure we now see documents connecting UMD to the MPO.

We see actions that suit the USA agenda coming from UMD. These actions are often not aligned with the Macedonian Diaspora. Hence my belief that their name is misleading.

How could you call Vangelovki's attacks a "blind vendetta". The guy was there as a founding member. I would call his attacks anything but blind.

[Buktop]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

The symbolism of the Sun in the current flag design is actually quite strong (IMHO), one could argue that it predates the Kutlesh design and therefor it is an even older Macedonian symbol...in some ways the stylized depiction of an eight ray sun symbol has been a clever ploy by its designers to avoid further 'protest' from the 'greek' side...although I do realise that from a purely aesthetic point of view not many symbols or designs have the same impact as the Star of Kutlesh...

I agree, good post Phoenix

[Buktop]

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

Buktop, the ventilator has no historical significance. But post up what you believe to be the evidence that demonstrates this 'historical' significance.

While you're at it, please also entertain us again with your pseudo-intellectualist theories of the concept of "consent of the governed".

Well well, this post is very revealing.

Vangelovski, can you tell me what is the basis for the idea of elected representatives in a republic?

[Buktop]

Originally Posted by Risto the Great

I am pretty sure we now see documents connecting UMD to the MPO.

We see actions that suit the USA agenda coming from UMD. These actions are often not aligned with the Macedonian Diaspora. Hence my belief that their name is misleading.

How could you call Vangelovki's attacks a "blind vendetta". The guy was there as a founding member. I would call his attacks anything but blind.

What connections? We see that UMD asked MPO to help collect census data, do you really see any connection between UMD and a pro-Bulgarian agenda?

Is applauding troop deployments considered pro-USA agenda? or is it considered an acknowledgment of a beneficial policy for Macedonia?

The actions of UMD are aligned with the Diaspora, or at least the ones who have made an effort to work with UMD, to help develop UMD, to support UMD. What we are arguing about is wording in a newsletter.

Risto, have you ever had the pleasure of disagreeing with Vangelovski? You can only really know a person when you have seen them at their worst, and all I can say is when he is asked to provide proof of his accusations against UMD he avoids doing so. When I asked him 2 days ago to explain to us the "secret" agenda's of UMD he could not do so.

Either he does not have proof, or maybe there are snipers posted on his street waiting to take him out if he discloses such vital information.

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by Buktop

Well well, this post is very revealing.

Vangelovski, can you tell me what is the basis for the idea of elected representatives in a republic?

Buktop,

Just give us a run-down of YOUR theory of consent by the governed.

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by Buktop

What connections? We see that UMD asked MPO to help collect census data, do you really see any connection between UMD and a pro-Bulgarian agenda?

Is applauding troop deployments considered pro-USA agenda? or is it considered an acknowledgment of a beneficial policy for Macedonia?

The actions of UMD are aligned with the Diaspora, or at least the ones who have made an effort to work with UMD, to help develop UMD, to support UMD. What we are arguing about is wording in a newsletter.

Risto, have you ever had the pleasure of disagreeing with Vangelovski? You can only really know a person when you have seen them at their worst, and all I can say is when he is asked to provide proof of his accusations against UMD he avoids doing so. When I asked him 2 days ago to explain to us the "secret" agenda's of UMD he could not do so.

Either he does not have proof, or maybe there are snipers posted on his street waiting to take him out if he discloses such vital information.

Buktop, my 'proof' backing up my accusations of UMD support for a name change and the Interim Accord and Framework Agreement is their own words, which you have already read over and over again, yet continue to act as a cheerleader for them.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Big Bad Sven

I have no problem with the current flag, in terms of look and all that type of stuff and actually like it.

However sadly the flag will always be remembered as the flag that was forced onto by us from the “greeks” and as the day Macedonia failed and its government sold out, and this is something that will always tarnish the reputation and respect of the flag.

Even know it makes me remember just how dark and sad the 90’s where for Macedonia….

Very true...good point BBS