United Macedonia Diaspora - Page 91

Dimko-piperkata · 01-09-2010, 07:37 PM

they can´t be macedonians....they´re only of macedonian descent.

Vangelovski · 01-09-2010, 08:27 PM

Its ironic listening to UMD talk about human rights and quote from Martin Luther King, while waving the ventilator that was imposed on us by the very government they are supposedly struggling against, showing their clear support for the Interim Accord that, among other unjust provisions, compels Macedonia NOT to support the rights of the Macedonian minority in Greece.

Vangelovski · 01-09-2010, 08:35 PM

Meto, you mention a number of interesting points. You mention the creation of a new identity - a Global Macedonian - What is that?

You also mention a "true" Macedonian cause - how exactly do you define the "true" Macedonian cause?

Buktop · 01-09-2010, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Vangelovski

Its ironic listening to UMD talk about human rights and quote from Martin Luther King, while waving the ventilator that was imposed on us by the very government they are supposedly struggling against, showing their clear support for the Interim Accord that, among other unjust provisions, compels Macedonia NOT to support the rights of the Macedonian minority in Greece.

Or it could just mean that they are waving a recognized flag of the Republic of Macedonia.

Phoenix · 01-09-2010, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Vangelovski

Its ironic listening to UMD talk about human rights and quote from Martin Luther King, while waving the ventilator that was imposed on us by the very government they are supposedly struggling against, showing their clear support for the Interim Accord that, among other unjust provisions, compels Macedonia NOT to support the rights of the Macedonian minority in Greece.

symbolism draws out strong emotions but i don't know what to make of the 'stars and stripes' standing so erect behind Gospodin Mitreski...

Phoenix · 01-09-2010, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Buktop

Or it could just mean that they are waving a recognized flag of the Republic of Macedonia.

You know exactly what he means Buktop...stop being an apologist, not just for UMD but for the wrongs committed by all Macedonian Governments against the wishes of the Macedonian people...

Vangelovski · 01-09-2010, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Buktop

Or it could just mean that they are waving a recognized flag of the Republic of Macedonia.

You mean a recognised flag of the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, don't you? Thats what your beloved Interim Accord would have us call ourselves, or at least until we capitulate the next time.

Buktop · 01-09-2010, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Risto the Great

I used to think this was our Macedonian Curse (not Cause) when Macedonians went against each other. But I then started to notice the bickering in amongst other communities.

The Macedonians have an extra layer of complexity in that some people still push a policy of division. None of our neighbours try to split their country up by pretending to be Serbians/Bulgars etc. There will always be question marks over the actions of many Macedonian organisations.

The film event was a wonderful idea, who cares where or how the idea came from.

Questions are to be expected Risto, especially given that our history is full of events that were caused by traitors.

My point is, to simply assume an organization is working for Bulgarians, the Macedonian government, the Americans etc... without any substantial proof, when I say substantial proof I mean documents connecting the organization to these suspected detractors. And yet we have Macedonian supporters here willing to blindly accept any conspiracy theory they hear in association with UMD and they will avoid beneficial Macedonian events simply because UMD is "involved".

This is what I was afraid of from the first moment these "theory's" started to emerge. I have no problem with constructive criticism, or genuine curiosity, but when someone is engaging in a blind vendetta to detract from fellow Macedonians, that is when all Macedonians lose.

Buktop · 01-09-2010, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Vangelovski

You mean a recognised flag of the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, don't you? Thats what your beloved Interim Accord would have us call ourselves, or at least until we capitulate the next time.

No, that is the flag of the Republic of Macedonia as it stands now. You know that this "ventilator" as you call it has an older historical significance than the Kutlesh sun right?

The Macedonian people have had every opportunity to petition the government to reinstate the Kutlesh sun and yet they haven't, why is that?

Vangelovski · 01-09-2010, 10:52 PM

Buktop, the ventilator has no historical significance. But post up what you believe to be the evidence that demonstrates this 'historical' significance.

While you're at it, please also entertain us again with your pseudo-intellectualist theories of the concept of "consent of the governed".

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01-09-2010, 07:37 PM	#901
Dimko-piperkata Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Occupied Macedonia 1913 Posts: 1,876	they can´t be macedonians....they´re only of macedonian descent. __________________ 1) Macedonians belong to the "older" Mediterranean substratum... 2) Macedonians are not related with geographically close Greeks, who do not belong to the "older" Mediterranenan substratum...

01-09-2010, 08:27 PM	#902
Vangelovski Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,521	Its ironic listening to UMD talk about human rights and quote from Martin Luther King, while waving the ventilator that was imposed on us by the very government they are supposedly struggling against, showing their clear support for the Interim Accord that, among other unjust provisions, compels Macedonia NOT to support the rights of the Macedonian minority in Greece. __________________ If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14 The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

01-09-2010, 08:35 PM	#903
Vangelovski Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,521	Meto, you mention a number of interesting points. You mention the creation of a new identity - a Global Macedonian - What is that? You also mention a "true" Macedonian cause - how exactly do you define the "true" Macedonian cause? __________________ If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14 The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

01-09-2010, 10:52 PM	#910
Vangelovski Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,521	Buktop, the ventilator has no historical significance. But post up what you believe to be the evidence that demonstrates this 'historical' significance. While you're at it, please also entertain us again with your pseudo-intellectualist theories of the concept of "consent of the governed". __________________ If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14 The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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