Macedonian Truth Forum   

Go Back   Macedonian Truth Forum > Macedonian Truth Forum > News and Politics

View Poll Results: Do you consider the UMD as your representative for the Macedonian Diaspora?
Yes 2 4.35%
No 44 95.65%
Voters: 46. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 12-03-2009, 12:06 AM   #621
UMDiaspora.org
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: United States, Australia, Canada
Posts: 525
UMDiaspora.org is on a distinguished road
Default

According to Article 46 of the European Convention on Human Rights, the Committee of Ministers of the Council of Europe has the right to supervise the execution of the ECHR judgments. Let's hope we can make some changes when Macedonia takes over the Chairmanship of the Council of Europe Committee of Ministers on May 11, 2010 to November 2010. Turkey takes over on November 2010 to May 2011. The Committee of Ministers is by majority voting, not concensus.

Article 46 - Binding force and execution of judgments

1 The High Contracting Parties undertake to abide by the final judgment of the Court in any case to which they are parties.

2 The final judgment of the Court shall be transmitted to the Committee of Ministers, which shall supervise its execution.
UMDiaspora.org is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2009, 12:17 AM   #622
TrueMacedonian
Senior Member
 
TrueMacedonian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 3,809
TrueMacedonian will become famous soon enough
Default

Quote:
The Committee of Ministers is by majority voting, not concensus.
This makes it even more incredulous of these Western Europeans to toy with the human rights of a bunch of people who are forced to call themselves "Ethnic Bulgarians". BS!
__________________
Slayer Of The Modern "greek" Myth!!!
TrueMacedonian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2009, 01:30 AM   #623
makedonche
Senior Member
 
makedonche's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Macedonian Colony of Australia
Posts: 3,242
makedonche is on a distinguished road
Default

UMD
So you have the Comittee of Ministers as the authority in supervising the execution of the decision, prepared to do nothing! This is astounding - are there any precedents for the execution of rulings/decisions, relating to this type of human rights abuse, that we can refer to in order to compel these clowns to take the appropriate action instead of failing to deliver the appropriate discipline necessary.
makedonche is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2009, 01:48 AM   #624
Pelister
Senior Member
 
Pelister's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Australia
Posts: 2,742
Pelister is on a distinguished road
Default

Gentlemen,

The E.U is a club that cloaks its racism and intolerance in humanist rhetoric. As an Institution - we need to understand that it has all the characteristics of a typical club.

Hence the power of individual members, its exclusivity and decision making powers to include or exclude.

The U.N on the other hand, is aligned more closely along the principles of democracy, equal representation and equal power among the nations of the world.

The Macedonians are barking up the wrong tree if they think that the E.U club should be our goal. The apologists at UMD who support the negotiations are not helping the matter by encouraging our membership aspirations toward the E.U, rather than directing that wasted energy to overturning FYROM at the U.N. (which can be done legally through its own institutions).

Two different organizations.
Pelister is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2009, 01:57 AM   #625
makedonche
Senior Member
 
makedonche's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Macedonian Colony of Australia
Posts: 3,242
makedonche is on a distinguished road
Default

It's becomming more & more obvious the EU is a waste of time, given the sacrifices and vetoing we face there, and the legal challenge through the UN would be more usefull to bring the racists to be held accountable - trouble is that the legal path is very slow and expensive1
makedonche is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2009, 02:39 AM   #626
Pelister
Senior Member
 
Pelister's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Australia
Posts: 2,742
Pelister is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by makedonche View Post
It's becomming more & more obvious the EU is a waste of time, given the sacrifices and vetoing we face there, and the legal challenge through the UN would be more usefull to bring the racists to be held accountable - trouble is that the legal path is very slow and expensive1
U.N is a different institution to the E.U. I would say it is more egalitarian, and add to that that the Macedonians have the legal and political advantage at the U.N, one, because U.N articles forbid the U.N from admitting a country by a name that is not its constitutional name, and two, because there already exists a case (in Portugal) where this has happened at the U.N. Portugal WON. My point is that all of this negotiating our identity for E.U membership on the presumption that we are blocked or will from the E.U, is a wild, reckless chase for nothing substantial. Why would we be negotiating our identity to have FYROM overturned at the U.N ? We can legally overturn FYROM at the U.N. without exposing ourselves so stupidly. If the ICJ rule in our favor (and they will), MOST members of the U.N (apart from those Greece can influence) will vote in good consciounce to have us admitted by our constitutional name. Remember there are no VETO powers at the U.N and every nation has an equal vote.

Last edited by Pelister; 12-03-2009 at 02:41 AM.
Pelister is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2009, 02:57 AM   #627
Bij
Member
 
Bij's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 905
Bij is on a distinguished road
Default

cant you guys put it on one of your credit cards?
Bij is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2009, 09:17 AM   #628
UMDiaspora.org
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: United States, Australia, Canada
Posts: 525
UMDiaspora.org is on a distinguished road
Default Vote for the new singer Australian-based Marija Neskovski

Marija Neskovski, Australian singer of Macedonian heritage, has come out with a new song, which has made it top 5 in the charts in Australia!!!

She needs our support, votes, and comments to bring her to #1. Marija earns a point for every posted comment.

Here is where you can leave your comments about her song: http://blog.promotion-us.com/marija-...oulseekerz-mix

Her website is http://www.marijaneskovski.com

Last edited by UMDiaspora.org; 12-04-2009 at 09:40 AM.
UMDiaspora.org is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2009, 06:34 PM   #629
Bij
Member
 
Bij's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 905
Bij is on a distinguished road
Default

which top 5 charts in australia?

i ask because i cant find where to vote for it. its nowhere. ive never heard of it before either
Bij is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2009, 08:29 PM   #630
George S.
Senior Member
 
George S.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 10,116
George S. is on a distinguished road
Default

i can't vote i've just lost my internet connection.
George S. is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
diaspora, macedonian, meto koloski, umd, united, vinozhito


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump