United Macedonia Diaspora

[makedonche]

Originally Posted by julie

Where are the UMD and their lackeys to spout their strategic allegiance to USA, they have been absent!
The UMD are FALSE representatives of the Macedonian diaspora, and should change their nameGod Bless Macedonia, Macedonians that support the Macedonian cause and the MTO
SOM for president

Julie
Hit the nail on the head here! Iv'e actually contemplated legal proceedings under the "misrepresentation" laws here in Oz!

[Bill77]

Quote Meto:
Greeks cannot have exclusivity to this symbol.

Greeks cannot have this symbol at all full stop. Its a Macedonian symbol. Where these criminals next door, they are Greek, what is the confusion?

What's this shit about "exclusivity" as if to say they have some rights in sharing it, but not have total ownership.
They have no right to be associated with it what so ever.

[George S.]

Bill i agree100%% with that.Look wah'ts happened to the eu after it shared it's money with greece.

[Makedonska_Kafana]

If, readers have not figured out the youngsters from UMD (net-workers) yet may i suggest a few lines ot toa beloto? Eyes wide shut ..

[Makedonska_Kafana]

UMD, is a total failure and eight wasted years of kissing US ass - NGO?

Wine and Cheese

[vodenka]

Originally Posted by Bill77

Greeks cannot have this symbol at all full stop. Its a Macedonian symbol. Where these criminals next door, they are Greek, what is the confusion?

What's this shit about "exclusivity" as if to say they have some rights in sharing it, but not have total ownership.
They have no right to be associated with it what so ever.

You are forgeting that more than half of the territory of Macedonia is inside greek bounderies. The greeks can use the symbols and macedonian historic heritage, but as macedonian, not greek. We cannot stop them if they want to honour Alexander of Macedon or Philip II or any macedonian historical person, but not as their ancestors, like they are doing now. Actually, they should not claim the ancient greeks as their ancestors, either. We Macedonians do not claim ancient ancestry from ancient people, but we claim the historical and cultural heritage of our homeland, Macedonia. Greeks should limit their claims of historical and cultural heritage in the place that is known as the ancient greek territory, only.

[Bill77]

Originally Posted by vodenka

You are forgeting that more than half of the territory of Macedonia is inside greek bounderies. The greeks can use the symbols and macedonian historic heritage, but as macedonian, not greek.

Thats exactly what i was saying.

Originally Posted by vodenka

We Macedonians do not claim ancient ancestry from ancient people,

This Macedonian does. Until someone can prove my ancestors walked on other lands once upon a time (just like the Modern prosfigi, vlasi, albanci aka Greeks) this Macedonian will keep on believing.

[vodenka]

Originally Posted by Bill77

Thats exactly what i was saying.

This Macedonian does. Until someone can prove my ancestors walked on other lands once upon a time (just like the Modern prosfigi, vlasi, albanci aka Greeks) this Macedonian will keep on believing.

Well, if you mean the Slav invasion in the Balkans, I agree with you! There is no historic proof that such thing did ever happen. Most probably "Slavs" where here even before ancient greeks! But each of us cannot have a genetic proof of origin from a particular ancient population.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Originally Posted by Vodenka

We Macedonians do not claim ancient ancestry from ancient people.

Yes, we do. We just don't pretend that there haven't been other influences during the past 2,000 years, like how many Greeks do.

[Bill77]

Originally Posted by vodenka

Well, if you mean the Slav invasion in the Balkans, I agree with you!

I don't bye this Slav theory, but lets play their game for a second.

A) Greece was not immuned to these migrants, if anything (according to some posts here on MTO) Greece was more effected and therfor, would be more "Slavs" than us if we go according to their mentality.

B) If we descended purely from these migrants (so called Slavs) during the 4th or 6th century, then all this does is it proves that my ancestors walked on this land much much longer before their papoo settled in Macedonia, who would have came from Turkey less than a century ago. Or if their papoo never migrated from Turkey and is indigenous to the land, then he would be a Slav descending from these migrants during the 4th or 6th century also.

So what is there argument and how does it favour them.