United Macedonia Diaspora

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

Here's the Greek letter that Milososki refers to (not sure if Meto posted it here, but he did on Maknews):

http://umdiaspora.powweb.com/images/...sUNNov2010.pdf

Meto posted it here as well...

I'm really interested in UMD's response to all of this...there's a part of me that hopes UMD will eventually come good and fall inline with the rest of the diaspora, here's ANOTHER golden opportunity for redemption.

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

Meto posted it here as well...

I'm really interested in UMD's response to all of this...there's a part of me that hopes UMD will eventually come good and fall inline with the rest of the diaspora, here's ANOTHER golden opportunity for redemption.

They provided a press release above. It was another disaster. Go back a page.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

They provided a press release above. It was another disaster. Go back a page.

Thanks TV, I missed the link...

Dear oh dear...what a dogs breakfast of a press release, why on Earth have they bundled together 4 seperate issues into the one press release...presenting it this way diminishes the importance and urgency of the response, its as if UMD are 'pretending' to be interested when clearly the couldn't give a rats arse...another opportunity gone.

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

Thanks TV, I missed the link...

Dear oh dear...what a dogs breakfast of a press release, why on Earth have they bundled together 4 seperate issues into the one press release...presenting it this way diminishes the importance and urgency of the response, its as if UMD are 'pretending' to be interested when clearly the couldn't give a rats arse...another opportunity gone.

I think the obvious contradictions in relation to ending negotiations show that they are not really serious about it.

[aleksandrov]

Originally Posted by Volk

What we have now in Macedonia is no serious political party willing to defend the Macedonian nation from external aggression.

This confirms Macedonia is one way or another under foreign occupation and oppression, whilst most of the populace is completely ignorant to the fact.

Are you the same Volk that used to post on this forum a year to two ago???

[amitreski]

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

I think the obvious contradictions in relation to ending negotiations show that they are not really serious about it.

Tom

1. There is no contradiction. We ask for immediate cease of negotiations. Isn't that what the majority of the posters here want?

2. We say that nobody has the right to negotiate with our name. Isn't that what the majority of the posters here think?

3. We tell the government that they should not state that they will not change the name, and then in the background do the opposite. Isn't that what the majority of the posters here think?


You tell me specifically which of these points you have a problem with?

[aleksandrov]

Originally Posted by George S.

UMD on the vote issue i know a lot weain't getting it the way other countries give the vote to the diaspora,
I was there win 2006 when i heard gruevski say over macedonian tv that he is going to give the diaspora the vote.

That was when DPMNE was still deluding itself about the level of active support it enjoys in the Diaspora. If I was a betting man, I would bet my house that Gruevski would now be just as reluctant as Crvenkovski to form Macedonian electorates in the Diaspora. Only a principled Macedonian politician or movement, like Stojanco Angelov or Dostoinstvo, could arouse any active involvement in the Macedonian electoral process among Macedonians in the Diaspora now. DPMNE is now on a more ruthless campaign to vilify, marginalise, and even persecute people like Angelov and other living heroes from the 2001 terrorist crisis than Crvenkovski and Buckovski were before him. That's because he knows that if genuine defenders of the rights, freedoms and collective interests of the Macedonian people are going to take any votes away from another party it will be from DPMNE.

...the only thing i heard on sbs radio in 2010 by the macedonian ambassador is that yes you can vote by buying yourself a passport & flying to macedonia in the next election yes you can vote....

You could have done that 15 years ago.

[amitreski]

The whole voting issue is a sham and parties use it to gain votes. Nobody has asked the Diaspora how can we make the voting accessible to all where it is practical and makes sense? Having the ability to vote in the embassy and the consulate will allow for 1% of the people (if that) to be able to vote.

[aleksandrov]

Originally Posted by amitreski

The whole voting issue is a sham and parties use it to gain votes. Nobody has asked the Diaspora how can we make the voting accessible to all where it is practical and makes sense? Having the ability to vote in the embassy and the consulate will allow for 1% of the people (if that) to be able to vote.

Alex,

Gruevski's apparatchiks didn't address those basic logistical issues even when they were falsely confident that the VMRO-DPMNE name they tarnished long ago would bring them hundreds of thousands of Macedonian votes in the Diaspora. Now, even if they made it possible for every Macedonian in the Diaspora to vote on his or her own street, a 10% voter turnout would be an optimistic expectation, in the absence of a new and extraordinary political force to restore people's hope in the possibility for progress through the formal political system in the Republic of Macedonia.

[julie]

aleksandrov, well said
amitreski, UMD have fucked up. Too many fundraisers and boat trips. Long time not listening to THE diaspora. Pro - Albanian sympathisers (my personal favourite, no, ties with MPO and trying to distance yourselves )Its all too late. UMD should have been serious in taking the names of the diaspora and listening to their concerns.
Now UMD think they can save the day. Its too late when the whore is 9 months pregnant and ready to drop, preventative measures and measures in infancy stages over 10 years ago was when something should have been done. Not spouting the esteemed value of joining your American NATO organisation under fuckme fyrom