United Macedonia Diaspora - Page 491

Vangelovski · 11-08-2010, 10:17 PM

Perhaps the Screwdriver can provide us with more information surrounding this:

Quote:

In recent months, Albanians had an uproar over the Macedonian Encyclopaedia and disputed a number of articles that suggested Albanians arrived in Macedonia during the 16th century, that the US supported NLA forces and that Ali Ahmeti may be guilty of war crimes.

UMD’s response to this was as follows:

“We understand the frustrations that ethnic Albanians feel regarding the mistakes contained within the Macedonian Encyclopedia. However, we remind everyone and Mr. Krasniqi that MANU is reviewing and has promised to correct these mistakes, with input from well-regarded Albanian-Macedonian academics,” said UMD Director of Public Policy, Boban Jovanovski”.

UMD Media Release
24 September 2009
<A href="http://umdiaspora.org/content/view/432/1/" target=_blank><A href="http://umdiaspora.org/content/view/432/1/" target=_blank>http://umdiaspora.org/content/view/432/1/

What mistakes was UMD referring to and what evidence does it have to support their position?

Vangelovski · 11-08-2010, 10:22 PM

Maybe the Screwdriver can inform us as to what happened with UMD's VISA Card with the Sonce on it?

http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/for...gulations.html

http://www.cyprusactionnetwork.org/s..._upsets_greeks

Perhaps the Screwdriver can also inform us on the chances of UMD backing down over its VISA Card with Alexander the Great?

Vangelovski · 11-08-2010, 10:23 PM

Perhaps the Screwdriver can also inform us why UMD recently supported the Framework Agreement and in a pathetic attempt to justify it, Meto provided false legal and historical facts to mislead viewers here?

Risto the Great · 11-08-2010, 10:24 PM

Vangelovski, how do you feel when a Macedonian calls you "Evangelos".
When a Macedonian wants to refer to me with a Greek sounding name, I feel it is an attack on my identity and that I am to be understood as being lesser of a Macedonian due to my ancestry being from Greek occupied Macedonia. If such a person were in front of me and attempting such folly, I would let them know on a number of levels how disgusted I am with him.

Stravdziger, given my previous discussion about my name and your usage of the offensive "Hristakis", please be advised that it will be my pleasure to delete you if you do it again. And I would look forward to meeting with you one day to see how I could possibly help you out of your defective personality.

Stravdziger, you have hinted that this website is a forum front for the AMHRC. You have also suggested Democratic Macedonia is acceptable to you in preference to FYROM. You are wrong on both counts. I can give you a precise date when the moderators met with the leadership of AMHRC and it was well over 1 year after the commencement of this website. Any support the MTO has given AMHRC is because of their transparency and capability to follow through with measurable actions. Naturally, they are only as good as their last initiative.

Either way, an open and authentic debate has occurred. You tried to justify Democratic Macedonia in a fashion quite similar to the UMD has. You simply cannot make a winning argument out of such stupidity. To put it simply, you can't polish a turd.

Makedonska_Kafana · 11-08-2010, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Risto the Great

Seriously Mr Brandy and Stravdziger, you are not really making the UMD look good at all. Why not just say you cannot speak on behalf of the UMD and nor can they?

This is exactly the main problem, zero control over their own board member's and conference guest speakers and it has become a very bad joke. Look at the people that were invited to speak in 2010 and it will lead you to many of the problems.

This is all very simple, really it is folks.

Vangelovski · 11-08-2010, 10:30 PM

RtG,

It shows me that he is a clown. He, along with UMD, consistently complain that we attack them, however, its the Screwdriver that makes personal attacks. They seem to think that questioning their vassal ideology is a personal attack...that can only be construed as true if they are careerists and their vassal dream comes undone in favour of a free Macedonia.

Makedonska_Kafana · 11-08-2010, 10:34 PM

Tom, the problems are coming from the people that spoke at the 2010 conference. These are the people that are saying "not board members"; however, they have done the most damage ever since June 2010. Unprofessional to say the least.

Vangelovski · 11-08-2010, 10:39 PM

MK,

I am fairly familiar with the majority of the UMD Board Members, and I can smell a new one from a 20,000 miles away. Meto usually tasks his new Board Members with defending him, but neglects to give them the full background on relevant issues. Thats why they fall apart when faced with the facts on here.

Phoenix · 11-08-2010, 10:44 PM

They're a weird mob at UMD...why on Earth would an organization that claims to represent the interests of the Macedonian diaspora be bleeding for the (mis)representation of the shiptari in the Macedonian Encyclopaedia...give me a fuckin break you pack of imbeciles, pity your bleeding fuckin' hearts don't extend to Macedonian troops in Afghanistan, whom you applauded with great fanfare on their way to that shithole.

You show great understanding to the "frustrations" of the shiptari ( da mu go ebam plemeto) but you don't share the slightest empathy with the macedonians in the diaspora or the homeland...you inept fools

Makedonska_Kafana · 11-08-2010, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

MK,

I am fairly familiar with the majority of the UMD Board Members, and I can smell a new one from a 20,000 miles away. Meto usually tasks his new Board Members with defending him, but neglects to give them the full background on relevant issues. Thats why they fall apart when faced with the facts on here.

Tom, I can almost tell you ALL the NEW defenders and they live in Toronto and surfaced after June 2010.

This is their way of thanking them?

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11-08-2010, 10:22 PM	#4902
Vangelovski Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,519	Maybe the Screwdriver can inform us as to what happened with UMD's VISA Card with the Sonce on it? http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/for...gulations.html http://www.cyprusactionnetwork.org/s..._upsets_greeks Perhaps the Screwdriver can also inform us on the chances of UMD backing down over its VISA Card with Alexander the Great? __________________ If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14 The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

11-08-2010, 10:23 PM	#4903
Vangelovski Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,519	Perhaps the Screwdriver can also inform us why UMD recently supported the Framework Agreement and in a pathetic attempt to justify it, Meto provided false legal and historical facts to mislead viewers here? __________________ If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14 The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

11-08-2010, 10:24 PM	#4904
Risto the Great Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Colony of Australia Posts: 15,639	Vangelovski, how do you feel when a Macedonian calls you "Evangelos". When a Macedonian wants to refer to me with a Greek sounding name, I feel it is an attack on my identity and that I am to be understood as being lesser of a Macedonian due to my ancestry being from Greek occupied Macedonia. If such a person were in front of me and attempting such folly, I would let them know on a number of levels how disgusted I am with him. Stravdziger, given my previous discussion about my name and your usage of the offensive "Hristakis", please be advised that it will be my pleasure to delete you if you do it again. And I would look forward to meeting with you one day to see how I could possibly help you out of your defective personality. Stravdziger, you have hinted that this website is a forum front for the AMHRC. You have also suggested Democratic Macedonia is acceptable to you in preference to FYROM. You are wrong on both counts. I can give you a precise date when the moderators met with the leadership of AMHRC and it was well over 1 year after the commencement of this website. Any support the MTO has given AMHRC is because of their transparency and capability to follow through with measurable actions. Naturally, they are only as good as their last initiative. Either way, an open and authentic debate has occurred. You tried to justify Democratic Macedonia in a fashion quite similar to the UMD has. You simply cannot make a winning argument out of such stupidity. To put it simply, you can't polish a turd. __________________ Risto the Great MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA "Holding my breath for the revolution." Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

11-08-2010, 10:30 PM	#4906
Vangelovski Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,519	RtG, It shows me that he is a clown. He, along with UMD, consistently complain that we attack them, however, its the Screwdriver that makes personal attacks. They seem to think that questioning their vassal ideology is a personal attack...that can only be construed as true if they are careerists and their vassal dream comes undone in favour of a free Macedonia. __________________ If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14 The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

11-08-2010, 10:34 PM	#4907
Makedonska_Kafana Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto, Ontario. Canada Posts: 2,642	Tom, the problems are coming from the people that spoke at the 2010 conference. These are the people that are saying "not board members"; however, they have done the most damage ever since June 2010. Unprofessional to say the least.

11-08-2010, 10:39 PM	#4908
Vangelovski Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,519	MK, I am fairly familiar with the majority of the UMD Board Members, and I can smell a new one from a 20,000 miles away. Meto usually tasks his new Board Members with defending him, but neglects to give them the full background on relevant issues. Thats why they fall apart when faced with the facts on here. __________________ If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14 The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

11-08-2010, 10:44 PM	#4909
Phoenix Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,668	They're a weird mob at UMD...why on Earth would an organization that claims to represent the interests of the Macedonian diaspora be bleeding for the (mis)representation of the shiptari in the Macedonian Encyclopaedia...give me a fuckin break you pack of imbeciles, pity your bleeding fuckin' hearts don't extend to Macedonian troops in Afghanistan, whom you applauded with great fanfare on their way to that shithole. You show great understanding to the "frustrations" of the shiptari ( da mu go ebam plemeto) but you don't share the slightest empathy with the macedonians in the diaspora or the homeland...you inept fools

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