United Macedonia Diaspora

[Pelister]

I think it underscores the hidden agenda and lies of UMD.

Its feeding and fattening itself of our misfortune through clever language, and cheap marketing stunts.

Don't expect to get a straight answer from them.

[Bratot]

Pelister, what do you think about MPO?

Do you belive they could be put on the right path, to get rid of the Bulgarian intruders and to justify the name of the organization?

As I heard from DC...that proces began.

[Pelister]

Originally Posted by Bratot

Pelister, what do you think about MPO?

Do you belive they could be put on the right path, to get rid of the Bulgarian intruders and to justify the name of the organization?

As I heard from DC...that proces began.

MPO can't be trusted. I've read the history of that organization, and they have sucked in many good Macedonians, including the brother of my grandfather, who settled in Detoit. Ultimately, the line of MPO is that there is a Macedonia, and there are Macedonians, but that they serve Bulgarian interests. A less sophisticated approach is that there is a Macedonia, but they are all Bulgarians (ethnically and nationally). Another take on this theme, could be that there is a Macedonia, but that there shouldn't be any Macedonians (ethnically), only nationally, pushed by the UMD organization, which is probably the most sophisticated take on our negation so far. These kinds of themes feed on our misfortunes.

[Volk]

but that there shouldn't be any Macedonians (ethnically), only nationally, pushed by the UMD organization

Zdravo Pelister,

Can you provide some evidence for the above statement please?

[Pelister]

Originally Posted by Volk

Zdravo Pelister,

Can you provide some evidence for the above statement please?

Why do you deny it?

[Pelister]

Volk wrote:

What else can greece do if we abandon the talks??

They will take a course to directly destroy our state.

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Volk, this kind of scenario is irrational, and unrealistic. Some of the evidence has been made public, here, which you wantonly ignore. The thing about UMD is that we know exactly what the organization stands for - through its public statements (some of them posted in this thread). We know more about the organization from the viewpoint of individual members, on the board and in leadership, and one of the strong convictions pushed by some members of the UMD board is that anyone can be a Macedonian, and that the Macedonian nationality, could include Greeks, not only presently, but significantly in historical terms. UMD were looking for evidence to support the assertion. Its a dangerous game they are playing.

[Volk]

Pelister,

I dont agree that any evidence has been given here or anywhere (that i have seen) to discredit the UMD in the matter your discussing.

You seem to have 'inside knowledge' which I cannot rule out, however I cannot simply trust 2-3 disgruntled former members (I am assuming you are) particularly by the 'evidence' presented by Tom.

I have an open mind but i cannot judge until there is substance and for me there is still no substance behind the accusations you have made.

[Risto the Great]

Volk, I think there is always going to be room for doubt in relation to the UMD until they really toughen up their approach and take some decisive actions on behalf of the Diaspora. At the moment, we are seeing strategies replete with "double speak". Who on Earth are they afraid of offending?

[Volk]

I think there is always going to be room for doubt in relation to the UMD until they really toughen up their approach and take some decisive actions on behalf of the Diaspora

I agree 100%, however this does not translate into 'predavsktvo' or intentions to change the meaning of what it means to be a Macedonian.

At the moment, we are seeing strategies replete with "double speak". Who on Earth are they afraid of offending?

I think they are trying to stay relevant in the eyes of the west, as 'moderates'. I guess time will tell if this is the best strategy. CMK was opposite, they had more influence in MKD, however in terms of influence on US senators they had zero (to my knowledge).

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by Volk

I agree 100%, however this does not translate into 'predavsktvo' or intentions to change the meaning of what it means to be a Macedonian.

True.
But why perpetuate the doubt?
It is an easy victory to make the Diaspora happier by using strong statements backed up with strong actions. I have no doubt that every true Macedonian wants the UMD to be relevant. I do.

It would be a shame to see this structure go to waste.